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Maybe it's the other direction, and Apple is trying to get website builders to realize that you can just serve an HTML page with a simple stylesheet, some image

by nimih 5y ago

Maybe it's the other direction, and Apple is trying to get website builders to realize that you can just serve an HTML page with a simple stylesheet, some images, and some forms, and it can be a great User Experience (UX).

echelon 5y ago
You can't deploy Unreal Engine, Netflix, or Spotify as a nice experience with plain HTML. (Maybe if the web had evolved differently, but that's an alternate history without Steve Jobs purposely crippling the web.) Apple are a bunch of crooks that want everything to be in the App Store so that they can control it and twist these other companies' arms. (Yours too, if you're an indie developer or startup.) Apple gaslighted us into thinking this is okay, meanwhile we bleed money sitting in their stupid walled garden jail. (I'm sick and tired of people caring about what's good for Apple. They have more money than God, and they don't need our welfare. Especially not while they're breaking our backs.) A nice step towards a better web would be to require that Apple allow non-Safari browsers on iPhone.
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  Then don’t buy an iPhone, and don’t develop for it. Create the BEST Android and Linux desktop experience you can.
  - echelon 5y ago
    Great, so ignore half of US consumers? Apple are totalitarian assholes taking advantage of their market position. They've redefined computing as a "protected" function. (Read: protection = regulated and taxed) I really wish it had been Microsoft that won instead. You'd all be complaining just like me.
  - wayneftw 5y ago
    ...as if developers are building things solely for themselves.
- nimih 5y ago
  Why in the world would you want to run Unreal Engine, Netflix, or Spotify in a browser on your phone, a platform which is notable for being constrained in memory, processing power, and battery life? My original comment was a little glib, but if Apple's evil plan /really is/ to twist peoples' arms into not making software engineering decisions that are prima facie ridiculous, then more power to them tbh.
dmitriid 5y ago
The New York times consistently creates amazing online experiences using current tech, and the result requires fewer resources, is more accessible, and works significantly faster than any project of any people that whine about Safari on Reddit and HN. Just a few examples: - 50 Reasons to Love Joni Mitchell’s ‘Blue’ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/20/arts/music/joni-mitchell-blue.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/20/arts/music/jo... - A 3-D Tour of How the Senate Was Transformed for the Impeachment Trial https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/23/us/politics/impeachment-senate-chamber-diagram.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/23/us/politics/i... - The Climate Change Pledges Are In. Will They Fix Anything? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/23/world/carbon-pledges.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/23/world/carbon-... And so on and so on. Can't quickly find the biggest and the most complex ones, but they are there.
- Jcowell 5y ago
  I would love to be able to see these…if only there want a pay wall. Now reader mode takes all that beauty and effort out.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    Interestingly enough, they were available to me. I wonder if I haven't hit the "you've reached the limit of free articles on NY Times"...
- KTallguy 5y ago
  A bit off topic, but I felt compelled to comment, because I have strong feelings about these "news experiences" on NYT and other websites (I think Wired has a few). I think they are beautiful to look at, and perhaps they are smartly built. But personally they make it so much harder for me to absorb the actual content. In the climate change example, the text is large and framed in isolation from the other elements, to the point that it's difficult for me to parse the overall context of the article. The Joni Mitchell article is a bit better, but the text on the right is squished to the point that it feels stressful to read. I understand the goal is to frame the image on the left, but it feels like overkill. When it comes to news I prefer the content to malleable and customizable (accessibility, content size, color pallet). I don't mind that these experiments exist, just pointing out that they are a bit anti-web in my opinion.

by nimih 5y ago

echelon 5y ago

You can't deploy Unreal Engine, Netflix, or Spotify as a nice experience with plain HTML. (Maybe if the web had evolved differently, but that's an alternate history without Steve Jobs purposely crippling the web.) Apple are a bunch of crooks that want everything to be in the App Store so that they can control it and twist these other companies' arms. (Yours too, if you're an indie developer or startup.) Apple gaslighted us into thinking this is okay, meanwhile we bleed money sitting in their stupid walled garden jail. (I'm sick and tired of people caring about what's good for Apple. They have more money than God, and they don't need our welfare. Especially not while they're breaking our backs.) A nice step towards a better web would be to require that Apple allow non-Safari browsers on iPhone.

jbverschoor 5y ago
Then don’t buy an iPhone, and don’t develop for it. Create the BEST Android and Linux desktop experience you can.
- echelon 5y ago
  Great, so ignore half of US consumers? Apple are totalitarian assholes taking advantage of their market position. They've redefined computing as a "protected" function. (Read: protection = regulated and taxed) I really wish it had been Microsoft that won instead. You'd all be complaining just like me.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  ...as if developers are building things solely for themselves.
nimih 5y ago
Why in the world would you want to run Unreal Engine, Netflix, or Spotify in a browser on your phone, a platform which is notable for being constrained in memory, processing power, and battery life? My original comment was a little glib, but if Apple's evil plan /really is/ to twist peoples' arms into not making software engineering decisions that are prima facie ridiculous, then more power to them tbh.

dmitriid 5y ago

The New York times consistently creates amazing online experiences using current tech, and the result requires fewer resources, is more accessible, and works significantly faster than any project of any people that whine about Safari on Reddit and HN. Just a few examples: - 50 Reasons to Love Joni Mitchell’s ‘Blue’ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/20/arts/music/joni-mitchell-blue.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/20/arts/music/jo... - A 3-D Tour of How the Senate Was Transformed for the Impeachment Trial https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/23/us/politics/impeachment-senate-chamber-diagram.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/23/us/politics/i... - The Climate Change Pledges Are In. Will They Fix Anything? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/23/world/carbon-pledges.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/23/world/carbon-... And so on and so on. Can't quickly find the biggest and the most complex ones, but they are there.

Jcowell 5y ago
I would love to be able to see these…if only there want a pay wall. Now reader mode takes all that beauty and effort out.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  Interestingly enough, they were available to me. I wonder if I haven't hit the "you've reached the limit of free articles on NY Times"...
KTallguy 5y ago
A bit off topic, but I felt compelled to comment, because I have strong feelings about these "news experiences" on NYT and other websites (I think Wired has a few). I think they are beautiful to look at, and perhaps they are smartly built. But personally they make it so much harder for me to absorb the actual content. In the climate change example, the text is large and framed in isolation from the other elements, to the point that it's difficult for me to parse the overall context of the article. The Joni Mitchell article is a bit better, but the text on the right is squished to the point that it feels stressful to read. I understand the goal is to frame the image on the left, but it feels like overkill. When it comes to news I prefer the content to malleable and customizable (accessibility, content size, color pallet). I don't mind that these experiments exist, just pointing out that they are a bit anti-web in my opinion.