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So if they say they'll help and then make things worse, you'd gladly support them? Because that's the impression I get from the other comments that you're resp

by esyir 5y ago

So if they say they'll help and then make things worse, you'd gladly support them? Because that's the impression I get from the other comments that you're responding here; That they have negligible impact on member welfare, but introduce a pile of corruption and bureaucracy into the mix.

virtue3 5y ago
> That they have negligible impact on member welfare That is some -really- strong hyperbole, especially against teacher and police unions as the parent is referring to. I would argue that the benefits teachers get and the relative job security of police offices is a good indicator of a strong labor union for both roles. Sure, pay sucks, but teachers would probably be treated worse than amazon workers at this point if they didn't have them. Source: worked for ed tech startup that supported teachers. Also dated a few.
- esyir 5y ago
  I'm not American, so I've little personal interaction with these. This is just the impression I get from here, as well as other American core communities I frequent. That I frequently hear how public school teachers are unable to do anything about literal abuse and such does give them credence though.
teclordphrack2 5y ago
What type of person puts words in someone else's mouth? Nothing you say seems to have any basis in reality.
ElViajero 5y ago
> I get from the other comments that you're responding here You should be better off ignoring comments from people you do not know, with unknown agendas, and without sources. Amazon is well known for astroturfing and creating "fake" profiles: https://boingboing.net/2021/03/30/twitter-bans-fake-amazon-workers-praising-company.html https://boingboing.net/2021/03/30/twitter-bans-fake-amazon-w... That does not mean that your fellow commenters are Amazon infiltrates or the like, but they can just be repeating misinformation from Amazon anti-union campaigns.

by esyir 5y ago

virtue3 5y ago

> That they have negligible impact on member welfare That is some -really- strong hyperbole, especially against teacher and police unions as the parent is referring to. I would argue that the benefits teachers get and the relative job security of police offices is a good indicator of a strong labor union for both roles. Sure, pay sucks, but teachers would probably be treated worse than amazon workers at this point if they didn't have them. Source: worked for ed tech startup that supported teachers. Also dated a few.

esyir 5y ago
I'm not American, so I've little personal interaction with these. This is just the impression I get from here, as well as other American core communities I frequent. That I frequently hear how public school teachers are unable to do anything about literal abuse and such does give them credence though.

teclordphrack2 5y ago

What type of person puts words in someone else's mouth? Nothing you say seems to have any basis in reality.

ElViajero 5y ago

> I get from the other comments that you're responding here You should be better off ignoring comments from people you do not know, with unknown agendas, and without sources. Amazon is well known for astroturfing and creating "fake" profiles: https://boingboing.net/2021/03/30/twitter-bans-fake-amazon-workers-praising-company.html https://boingboing.net/2021/03/30/twitter-bans-fake-amazon-w... That does not mean that your fellow commenters are Amazon infiltrates or the like, but they can just be repeating misinformation from Amazon anti-union campaigns.