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At what levels would this apply? Would we actually blood test 14 year olds? What about trans men who where assigned female at birth? Are they allowed to take

by slg 5y ago

At what levels would this apply? Would we actually blood test 14 year olds? What about trans men who where assigned female at birth? Are they allowed to take testosterone and still compete against XX women?

stOneskull 5y ago
why not trans athletics? a separate group.
- kbelder 5y ago
  Populated with transwomen and transmen? I suspect that the same problem would surface. It would be amusing though, because it would be a category where all the women would be beating all the men at weightlifting.
  - stOneskull 5y ago
    transmen vs transmen, transwomen vs transwomen
leephillips 5y ago
I think if the 14 year olds are entering an olympic event they would be blood-tested as a matter of routine, no? I don’t know what this “assigned female” phrase means, can you explain? And no, I’m pretty sure shooting up testosterone is a no-no in the Olympics.
- wolfgang42 5y ago
  “Assigned female”[0] just means that their original birth certificate has an ‘F’ in the sex field, normally assigned based on observed physical characteristics. It also generally implies that everyone assumed this was correct (with the associated gender roles etc) until the person began expressing a gender identity independently—in this case a different one, though for most people they tend to be the same. In this case 'slg is also using it to imply that the person’s natural physical characteristics also match their assigned sex. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
  - leephillips 5y ago
    This doesn’t really make sense. The hospital personnel who record the sex of the baby aren‘t saying anything about “gender roles”. They’re simply recording the sex of the baby. It will only be incorrect in extremely rare circumstances of external anatomy not being indicative of sex. (And the field in the birth certificate is for sex, not gender. That would make no sense.) EDIT: It’s rather underhanded to abuse the edit button to silently correct your comment, causing replies to not quite make sense. That’s why people here signal that they’ve edited a comment in cases like this.
    - wolfgang42 5y ago
      I didn’t say that the hospital personnel were involved in the gender role—the parents would generally take the lead on that one, but they usually use the medical advice as a basis. Yes, it’s unusual for all these aspects (assigned sex at birth, phenotype, gender identity, and so on) to not match, but it’s useful to have separate terms for the cases in which they don’t—as in the case of our hypothetical 14-year-old. (Thanks for the correction on the field name; edited.) (EDIT to your edit: I changed the text on that comment and then spent a couple extra minutes rephrasing this comment before I posted it. Probably I should have done those in the other order, sorry about that.)
kazinator 5y ago
"Trans men assigned female at birth" means nothing; just what are your chromosomes. > Are they allowed to take testosterone Absolutely not; however, doped sports could be yet separate category. There is probably audience money in it, like in monster trucks and WWF wrestling.

by slg 5y ago

stOneskull 5y ago

why not trans athletics? a separate group.

kbelder 5y ago
Populated with transwomen and transmen? I suspect that the same problem would surface. It would be amusing though, because it would be a category where all the women would be beating all the men at weightlifting.
- stOneskull 5y ago
  transmen vs transmen, transwomen vs transwomen

leephillips 5y ago

I think if the 14 year olds are entering an olympic event they would be blood-tested as a matter of routine, no? I don’t know what this “assigned female” phrase means, can you explain? And no, I’m pretty sure shooting up testosterone is a no-no in the Olympics.

wolfgang42 5y ago
“Assigned female”[0] just means that their original birth certificate has an ‘F’ in the sex field, normally assigned based on observed physical characteristics. It also generally implies that everyone assumed this was correct (with the associated gender roles etc) until the person began expressing a gender identity independently—in this case a different one, though for most people they tend to be the same. In this case 'slg is also using it to imply that the person’s natural physical characteristics also match their assigned sex. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
- leephillips 5y ago
  This doesn’t really make sense. The hospital personnel who record the sex of the baby aren‘t saying anything about “gender roles”. They’re simply recording the sex of the baby. It will only be incorrect in extremely rare circumstances of external anatomy not being indicative of sex. (And the field in the birth certificate is for sex, not gender. That would make no sense.) EDIT: It’s rather underhanded to abuse the edit button to silently correct your comment, causing replies to not quite make sense. That’s why people here signal that they’ve edited a comment in cases like this.
  - wolfgang42 5y ago
    I didn’t say that the hospital personnel were involved in the gender role—the parents would generally take the lead on that one, but they usually use the medical advice as a basis. Yes, it’s unusual for all these aspects (assigned sex at birth, phenotype, gender identity, and so on) to not match, but it’s useful to have separate terms for the cases in which they don’t—as in the case of our hypothetical 14-year-old. (Thanks for the correction on the field name; edited.) (EDIT to your edit: I changed the text on that comment and then spent a couple extra minutes rephrasing this comment before I posted it. Probably I should have done those in the other order, sorry about that.)

kazinator 5y ago

"Trans men assigned female at birth" means nothing; just what are your chromosomes. > Are they allowed to take testosterone Absolutely not; however, doped sports could be yet separate category. There is probably audience money in it, like in monster trucks and WWF wrestling.