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Exactly. What about if it was Sanders, Clinton, Kasich, and Trump? As a far left voter, do I have to approve Kasich if I really don't want Trump to win? In RCV
by adjkant 5y ago
Exactly. What about if it was Sanders, Clinton, Kasich, and Trump? As a far left voter, do I have to approve Kasich if I really don't want Trump to win?
In RCV, it's simple: Sanders, Clinton, maybe Kasich to ensure Trump doesn't win. There are 100% problems in IRV that Clinton or Kasich may be the first elimination there, meaning moderates can get screwed even with preference, but it's still way better than Approval IMO. The answer is a better RCV system than IVF, but let's start by getting rid of FPTP. I'd love to see some nuanced RCV methods that combine IRV, Ranked Pairs, Condorcet Winners, etc to basically improve IRV eliminations and take "shortcuts" like steps that consider what % of ballots you're on. Basically, approval voting has its place, but it should be within RCV.
Does it make understanding the tally harder for the layman? Yes. But if designed right, it simplifies the voting end so that people can essentially approval and rank vote together. Rank everyone you approve/would accept, and rank in your true preference order. That's what we should be solving for IMO.
- postalrat 5y agoVote Sanders and Clinton. Or Sanders, Clinton, and Kasich. Or just Sanders. Vote for as many as you approve of. Simple.
- bootlooped 5y agoWhat's not simple is where to draw the approve/disapprove line.
- postalrat 5y agoYou could be honest and pick the ones you approve of. Or if you just dont want some candidate(s) to win pick everyone else.
- bootlooped 5y agoI don't think it's as simple of a question as you suggest. Think of a food you disapprove of. Ok, now if you're stranded on a desert island, do you approve of it now? If you're at your usual grocery store you might disapprove of certain foods, but if you have to go to a much smaller one you may switch some of those to approve.
- cosmojg 5y ago> Basically, approval voting has its place, but it should be within RCV. An "approval-within-RCV" system would replicate multiple score voting (aka range voting). Why not skip the charade and advocate for a score voting system like STAR instead?
- ClayShentrup 5y agoApproval voting is superior to IRV in every way we can measure. https://electionscience.org/library/approval-voting-versus-irv/ https://electionscience.org/library/approval-voting-versus-i... Particularly noteworthy is their relative performance in computer simulations of accuracy against tactical voting. https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegFig https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegFig
- creata 5y agoI won't comment on the first link, but I don't buy that second link at all. Assuming that it's referring to the C code from elsewhere on their site[0] (boldly claimed to be 'the world's first "reality based" statistics') then isn't it weird to model honest range voting by just adding some Gaussian noise to the true utility and then scaling the results back into [0, 1]? At that point your computer simulation just measures how closely the voting system agrees with range voting. [0]: https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegExec.html https://www.rangevoting.org/BayRegExec.html