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> When all the software companies went full remote, they just took a break from hiring juniors (!). This isn’t true at all. Where I work, we hired more junior

by ntietz 5y ago

> When all the software companies went full remote, they just took a break from hiring juniors (!). This isn’t true at all. Where I work, we hired more junior engineers than ever before during the pandemic. We were hybrid colocated/remote (mostly colocated, plus me!) in the before times. We had certainly hired juniors before, but we hired a lot more and we’re able to source them from all across the country. It’s been fantastic, and onboarding and training junior engineers remote isn’t the impossible task people make it out to be.

tboyd47 5y ago
Good for you & your company! I’ve been watching the job stats and noticed a slump in junior positions.
- karmelapple 5y ago
  And I'd say it was common, at least before the pandemic. Our remote-first company rarely hired very junior engineers, partially after a little trial and error, including finding that hiring someone who already had remote experience would typically have a higher chance of succeeding. Not that it was required, but it was a better guarantee that things would generally go pretty well. On the flip side: we've also had one experience with an absolutely fantastic junior contributor, who we got as an intern. Unfortunately, this person wanted an on-site experience, and we couldn't give it since we are fully distributed. Having better techniques and approaches to help get junior developers more engaged, trained, and leveling up is good, but there are a lot of intangibles - including the social aspect - that simply don't work great for many young people fresh out of college or other training.
- kckdksmso 5y ago
  If you've been watching the stats then you should have a citation on hand to show some of those statistics, otherwise your comment sounds dismissive and condescending to the person you are replying to. In addition, since you made it sound like your hobby is compiling these statistics but didn't bother sharing them, it makes me think you haven't actually been following anything and are full of it
  - tboyd47 5y ago
    Did I touch a nerve? I'm not dismissing ntietz. I'm only remarking on general trends. It is a hobby of mine to watch programmer job trends and I'm in the process of compiling my new report for 2021 right now. https://www.propellers.io/blog/will-it-really-look-great-on-your-resume-introducing-resumerank https://www.propellers.io/blog/will-it-really-look-great-on-...
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est31 5y ago
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by ntietz 5y ago

tboyd47 5y ago

Good for you & your company! I’ve been watching the job stats and noticed a slump in junior positions.

karmelapple 5y ago
And I'd say it was common, at least before the pandemic. Our remote-first company rarely hired very junior engineers, partially after a little trial and error, including finding that hiring someone who already had remote experience would typically have a higher chance of succeeding. Not that it was required, but it was a better guarantee that things would generally go pretty well. On the flip side: we've also had one experience with an absolutely fantastic junior contributor, who we got as an intern. Unfortunately, this person wanted an on-site experience, and we couldn't give it since we are fully distributed. Having better techniques and approaches to help get junior developers more engaged, trained, and leveling up is good, but there are a lot of intangibles - including the social aspect - that simply don't work great for many young people fresh out of college or other training.
kckdksmso 5y ago
If you've been watching the stats then you should have a citation on hand to show some of those statistics, otherwise your comment sounds dismissive and condescending to the person you are replying to. In addition, since you made it sound like your hobby is compiling these statistics but didn't bother sharing them, it makes me think you haven't actually been following anything and are full of it
- tboyd47 5y ago
  Did I touch a nerve? I'm not dismissing ntietz. I'm only remarking on general trends. It is a hobby of mine to watch programmer job trends and I'm in the process of compiling my new report for 2021 right now. https://www.propellers.io/blog/will-it-really-look-great-on-your-resume-introducing-resumerank https://www.propellers.io/blog/will-it-really-look-great-on-...
- deleted 5y ago
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est31 5y ago

https://ismyinternshipcancelled.com/ https://ismyinternshipcancelled.com/