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>Cancel culture will make racism and sexism worse. I completely agree with that. Just to keep an eye on matters, and you never know how you need to set up you

>Cancel culture will make racism and sexism worse. I completely agree with that. Just to keep an eye on matters, and you never know how you need to set up your life going forward, lately I've made an attempt to eavesdrop on snatches of private conversations. I'm blown away by how radicalized people are becoming, and not in a way that progressives would like. Formerly, these people were essentially indifferent. Now, not so much.

mrbadideas 5y ago
Yes 10000x.
potatoineyes 5y ago
I don't literally think all liberal fundamentalists or lgbt people, for example, should die, but I do think organising around that as a heuristic principle for action would be better for the future, myself and for society. This is a direct result of having previvous liberal adjacent beliefs eroded and destroyed by constantly being around people who believe them, being 3xpos3d to the arguments for them, the data for them, etc - none of it is convincing to me at all and I am shocked how I took it all on faith as a child and teen. Contact with liberal and liberal adjacent groups has also shown me in personal experience that the stereotypes are often true, and they are truely awful vile hateful people if they do not think you are one of them. I would not be able to, on moral grounds, oppose large swathes of my country being literally exterminated because I no longer have any faith that they are not an existential threat. I really don't know how to fix this situation.
- skrebbel 5y ago
  If you really can't find reasonable people who identify as liberal then I fear the problem is with you. Not everybody who's somewhat left leaning is also a woke fundamentalist. I mean, you're talking casually about mass murdering gay people, how can you be surprised that some people feel threatened by that?
  - dang 5y ago
    "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - skrebbel 5y ago
      Good one, thanks. It conflicts a bit with the "assume good faith" guideline and sometimes I find it hard to figure which side should win. (Note: in hindsight of course a comment that suggests mass murdering people is a troll post and not written in good faith, I'm not sure what I was thinking. I'm not debating that, just saying that it's hard and appreciate the nudges)

mrbadideas 5y ago

Yes 10000x.

potatoineyes 5y ago

I don't literally think all liberal fundamentalists or lgbt people, for example, should die, but I do think organising around that as a heuristic principle for action would be better for the future, myself and for society. This is a direct result of having previvous liberal adjacent beliefs eroded and destroyed by constantly being around people who believe them, being 3xpos3d to the arguments for them, the data for them, etc - none of it is convincing to me at all and I am shocked how I took it all on faith as a child and teen. Contact with liberal and liberal adjacent groups has also shown me in personal experience that the stereotypes are often true, and they are truely awful vile hateful people if they do not think you are one of them. I would not be able to, on moral grounds, oppose large swathes of my country being literally exterminated because I no longer have any faith that they are not an existential threat. I really don't know how to fix this situation.

skrebbel 5y ago
If you really can't find reasonable people who identify as liberal then I fear the problem is with you. Not everybody who's somewhat left leaning is also a woke fundamentalist. I mean, you're talking casually about mass murdering gay people, how can you be surprised that some people feel threatened by that?
- dang 5y ago
  "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - skrebbel 5y ago
    Good one, thanks. It conflicts a bit with the "assume good faith" guideline and sometimes I find it hard to figure which side should win. (Note: in hindsight of course a comment that suggests mass murdering people is a troll post and not written in good faith, I'm not sure what I was thinking. I'm not debating that, just saying that it's hard and appreciate the nudges)