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People are going to love Jerry forever because of the sitcom. His standup isn't a big hit with the kids these days but everyone still knows the sitcom. Chappel

by slibhb 5y ago

People are going to love Jerry forever because of the sitcom. His standup isn't a big hit with the kids these days but everyone still knows the sitcom. Chappelle is one of the biggest comics alive. The people who are bothered by trans jokes are a small, humorless minority.

delecti 5y ago
The problem with trans jokes is there's basically only one of them that most comedians tell. It's just degrees of incredulity about the variety of things that people identify as. Patton Oswalt's version got chuckles out of me though. His take was basically "I'm on your side, I'm just old and don't know what you're talking about", which is at least poking fun at the incredulity, rather than the variety.
- pstuart 5y ago
  Had to google it, but he delivered.
pstuart 5y ago
I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. So tell me so good trans jokes and change my mind, eh?
- slibhb 5y ago
  > I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor.
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  - pstuart 5y ago
    > If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor. Nopes, it's not. I'm just more evolved than you.
- Igelau 5y ago
  I mean, I just googled "trans jokes" and the first hit was "18 trans jokes by actual trans people" that weren't funny. I was hoping for some raunchy limericks or something. Instead I got pages of results just saying how so-and-so shouldn't make trans jokes. Having that powerful of a chokehold on media and search results is the opposite of "persecuted" and "disenfranchised". On the contrary, that's a terrifying amount of political clout and power to steer discourse.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Look, I'm willing to judge a joke on its on merits but there's some territory that's trickier than others: when the subject is a member of the underclass. Trans people are literally being legislated today and actively demonized by the right. Do you remember the trans bathroom laws that were all the rage? Do you remember all the attacks by trans people that precipitated them? No, because it's manufactured fear. You finding pages of individuals speaking out against that and that's terrifying? More manufactured fear. As to the subject I replied to, Chappelle's jokes, it's addressed here: https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender-jokes-netflix-equanimity-1201912946/ https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender... Hooo haw, laugh riot over being tricked to have sex with a tranny! And that Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, that really grosses me out!? Hee hee hee. Sorry, but that shit's puerile at best.
    - Igelau 5y ago
      I'm not sure what iteration of Chappelle's jokes they are addressing in the indiewire piece, but here's what I could find, and it seems very different in tone https://youtu.be/r_EXb8_8xlM https://youtu.be/r_EXb8_8xlM First joke aside (which I'd guess is older material than the rest) if you stick with him and don't cherrypick quotes, it's almost entirely self-deprecating. Even in the Caitlyn Jenner joke, the punchline rests on him acknowledging his own failure to resist his impulses. Don't forget the layer where he is acting out the role of a horrible, insensitive person throughout this so the audience can laugh at his oversimplification and ignorance. That's a big part of comedy and it does not translate over to quotations in prose. Hopefully I didn't kill the frog, but he's absolutely not punching down from what I could find.
cevink 5y ago
Seinfeld currently has 2 routines, one is for the normie/mainstream crowd which is what you expect from his TV show. The other is his totally uncensored and cutting edge written material he only performs for younger audiences or in other words 'people not expecting TV Seinfeld' and it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus.
- slibhb 5y ago
  That's actually hilarious and I would love to see it.
- Igelau 5y ago
  > it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus. They don't blacklist anything on college campuses anymore. They naughtylist it, disallowlist it, or ungoodlist it... presumably so anyone descended from regicides won't be triggered by Charles II of England's words appearing out of context.

by slibhb 5y ago

delecti 5y ago

The problem with trans jokes is there's basically only one of them that most comedians tell. It's just degrees of incredulity about the variety of things that people identify as. Patton Oswalt's version got chuckles out of me though. His take was basically "I'm on your side, I'm just old and don't know what you're talking about", which is at least poking fun at the incredulity, rather than the variety.

pstuart 5y ago
Had to google it, but he delivered.

pstuart 5y ago

I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. So tell me so good trans jokes and change my mind, eh?

slibhb 5y ago
> I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor.
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- pstuart 5y ago
  > If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor. Nopes, it's not. I'm just more evolved than you.
Igelau 5y ago
I mean, I just googled "trans jokes" and the first hit was "18 trans jokes by actual trans people" that weren't funny. I was hoping for some raunchy limericks or something. Instead I got pages of results just saying how so-and-so shouldn't make trans jokes. Having that powerful of a chokehold on media and search results is the opposite of "persecuted" and "disenfranchised". On the contrary, that's a terrifying amount of political clout and power to steer discourse.
- pstuart 5y ago
  Look, I'm willing to judge a joke on its on merits but there's some territory that's trickier than others: when the subject is a member of the underclass. Trans people are literally being legislated today and actively demonized by the right. Do you remember the trans bathroom laws that were all the rage? Do you remember all the attacks by trans people that precipitated them? No, because it's manufactured fear. You finding pages of individuals speaking out against that and that's terrifying? More manufactured fear. As to the subject I replied to, Chappelle's jokes, it's addressed here: https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender-jokes-netflix-equanimity-1201912946/ https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender... Hooo haw, laugh riot over being tricked to have sex with a tranny! And that Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, that really grosses me out!? Hee hee hee. Sorry, but that shit's puerile at best.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    I'm not sure what iteration of Chappelle's jokes they are addressing in the indiewire piece, but here's what I could find, and it seems very different in tone https://youtu.be/r_EXb8_8xlM https://youtu.be/r_EXb8_8xlM First joke aside (which I'd guess is older material than the rest) if you stick with him and don't cherrypick quotes, it's almost entirely self-deprecating. Even in the Caitlyn Jenner joke, the punchline rests on him acknowledging his own failure to resist his impulses. Don't forget the layer where he is acting out the role of a horrible, insensitive person throughout this so the audience can laugh at his oversimplification and ignorance. That's a big part of comedy and it does not translate over to quotations in prose. Hopefully I didn't kill the frog, but he's absolutely not punching down from what I could find.

cevink 5y ago

Seinfeld currently has 2 routines, one is for the normie/mainstream crowd which is what you expect from his TV show. The other is his totally uncensored and cutting edge written material he only performs for younger audiences or in other words 'people not expecting TV Seinfeld' and it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus.

slibhb 5y ago
That's actually hilarious and I would love to see it.
Igelau 5y ago
> it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus. They don't blacklist anything on college campuses anymore. They naughtylist it, disallowlist it, or ungoodlist it... presumably so anyone descended from regicides won't be triggered by Charles II of England's words appearing out of context.