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A couple points... College campuses are where you are supposed to be confronted with challenging ideas and different perspectives. That's one of their great gi

A couple points... College campuses are where you are supposed to be confronted with challenging ideas and different perspectives. That's one of their great gifts. But even mainstream Jerry Seinfeld, who created one of the most popular sitcoms of all time and doesn't even swear, is now considered too controversial? It's not just him. Dave Chappelle and many other comedians have been saying the same thing about college audiences.

pope_meat 5y ago
You living in the wrong decade still. Jerry Seinfeld was relevant in the 90s, and Chappelle in the 2000s. Jerry keeps dating 18 year old girls, and Chappelle can't seem to restrain himself from shitting on trans folks. Sorry, these heroes suck.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Jerry keeps dating 18 year old girls AFAIK, he is only know to have done that once (and they first met and went out, though Seinfeld said later that they weren't “dating” yet, when she was 17, not 18.)
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    Plus this was in 1993. So "keep" is inaccurate here, unless this person has additional data to provide.
- slibhb 5y ago
  People are going to love Jerry forever because of the sitcom. His standup isn't a big hit with the kids these days but everyone still knows the sitcom. Chappelle is one of the biggest comics alive. The people who are bothered by trans jokes are a small, humorless minority.
  - delecti 5y ago
    The problem with trans jokes is there's basically only one of them that most comedians tell. It's just degrees of incredulity about the variety of things that people identify as. Patton Oswalt's version got chuckles out of me though. His take was basically "I'm on your side, I'm just old and don't know what you're talking about", which is at least poking fun at the incredulity, rather than the variety.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Had to google it, but he delivered.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. So tell me so good trans jokes and change my mind, eh?
    - slibhb 5y ago
      > I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor.
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      - pstuart 5y ago
        > If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor. Nopes, it's not. I'm just more evolved than you.
    - Igelau 5y ago
      I mean, I just googled "trans jokes" and the first hit was "18 trans jokes by actual trans people" that weren't funny. I was hoping for some raunchy limericks or something. Instead I got pages of results just saying how so-and-so shouldn't make trans jokes. Having that powerful of a chokehold on media and search results is the opposite of "persecuted" and "disenfranchised". On the contrary, that's a terrifying amount of political clout and power to steer discourse.
      - pstuart 5y ago
        Look, I'm willing to judge a joke on its on merits but there's some territory that's trickier than others: when the subject is a member of the underclass. Trans people are literally being legislated today and actively demonized by the right. Do you remember the trans bathroom laws that were all the rage? Do you remember all the attacks by trans people that precipitated them? No, because it's manufactured fear. You finding pages of individuals speaking out against that and that's terrifying? More manufactured fear. As to the subject I replied to, Chappelle's jokes, it's addressed here: https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender-jokes-netflix-equanimity-1201912946/ https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender... Hooo haw, laugh riot over being tricked to have sex with a tranny! And that Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, that really grosses me out!? Hee hee hee. Sorry, but that shit's puerile at best.
  - cevink 5y ago
    Seinfeld currently has 2 routines, one is for the normie/mainstream crowd which is what you expect from his TV show. The other is his totally uncensored and cutting edge written material he only performs for younger audiences or in other words 'people not expecting TV Seinfeld' and it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus.
    - slibhb 5y ago
      That's actually hilarious and I would love to see it.
    - Igelau 5y ago
      > it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus. They don't blacklist anything on college campuses anymore. They naughtylist it, disallowlist it, or ungoodlist it... presumably so anyone descended from regicides won't be triggered by Charles II of England's words appearing out of context.
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- type0 5y ago
  All the trans people I know actually like his jokes, it seems that you are living in a wrong decade that doesn't exist.
- Igelau 5y ago
  Just a minute there. Putting aside the other comments that pointed out that you're probably making this up... are you saying 18 year old women shouldn't feel empowered to date whoever they damn well please? Who are you to decide an adult woman's rights over her own body? That's creepy fascist territory.
  - RC_ITR 5y ago
    Did you read the comment? He didn't say any such thing! He said the man in the situation is not to be adored. Maybe you should look into yourself and question what caused you to interpret it that way.
    - Igelau 5y ago
      Stalking my comments across threads isn't doing you any rhetorical favors. You're really upset about this, and that's a shame.
      - RC_ITR 5y ago
        Was just trying to understand the vibe you were going for on this post & your comment was too perfect not to comment on. Have fun with the 18 year olds.
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raclage 5y ago
Consider that maybe people agree that being confronted with challenging ideas and perspectives is valuable but they don't find the same value in Jerry Seinfeld's comedy as they do in, say, a lecture by someone with radical beliefs.

pope_meat 5y ago

You living in the wrong decade still. Jerry Seinfeld was relevant in the 90s, and Chappelle in the 2000s. Jerry keeps dating 18 year old girls, and Chappelle can't seem to restrain himself from shitting on trans folks. Sorry, these heroes suck.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Jerry keeps dating 18 year old girls AFAIK, he is only know to have done that once (and they first met and went out, though Seinfeld said later that they weren't “dating” yet, when she was 17, not 18.)
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  Plus this was in 1993. So "keep" is inaccurate here, unless this person has additional data to provide.
slibhb 5y ago
People are going to love Jerry forever because of the sitcom. His standup isn't a big hit with the kids these days but everyone still knows the sitcom. Chappelle is one of the biggest comics alive. The people who are bothered by trans jokes are a small, humorless minority.
- delecti 5y ago
  The problem with trans jokes is there's basically only one of them that most comedians tell. It's just degrees of incredulity about the variety of things that people identify as. Patton Oswalt's version got chuckles out of me though. His take was basically "I'm on your side, I'm just old and don't know what you're talking about", which is at least poking fun at the incredulity, rather than the variety.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Had to google it, but he delivered.
- pstuart 5y ago
  I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. So tell me so good trans jokes and change my mind, eh?
  - slibhb 5y ago
    > I have a good sense of humor. Making fun of a group that is persecuted is not funny to me because I don't find anything amusing about taunting the disenfranchised. If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor.
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    - pstuart 5y ago
      > If your humor is subservient to your social/political beliefs, you don't have a sense of humor. Nopes, it's not. I'm just more evolved than you.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    I mean, I just googled "trans jokes" and the first hit was "18 trans jokes by actual trans people" that weren't funny. I was hoping for some raunchy limericks or something. Instead I got pages of results just saying how so-and-so shouldn't make trans jokes. Having that powerful of a chokehold on media and search results is the opposite of "persecuted" and "disenfranchised". On the contrary, that's a terrifying amount of political clout and power to steer discourse.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Look, I'm willing to judge a joke on its on merits but there's some territory that's trickier than others: when the subject is a member of the underclass. Trans people are literally being legislated today and actively demonized by the right. Do you remember the trans bathroom laws that were all the rage? Do you remember all the attacks by trans people that precipitated them? No, because it's manufactured fear. You finding pages of individuals speaking out against that and that's terrifying? More manufactured fear. As to the subject I replied to, Chappelle's jokes, it's addressed here: https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender-jokes-netflix-equanimity-1201912946/ https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/dave-chappelle-transgender... Hooo haw, laugh riot over being tricked to have sex with a tranny! And that Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, that really grosses me out!? Hee hee hee. Sorry, but that shit's puerile at best.
- cevink 5y ago
  Seinfeld currently has 2 routines, one is for the normie/mainstream crowd which is what you expect from his TV show. The other is his totally uncensored and cutting edge written material he only performs for younger audiences or in other words 'people not expecting TV Seinfeld' and it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus.
  - slibhb 5y ago
    That's actually hilarious and I would love to see it.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    > it definitely would be blacklisted on any campus. They don't blacklist anything on college campuses anymore. They naughtylist it, disallowlist it, or ungoodlist it... presumably so anyone descended from regicides won't be triggered by Charles II of England's words appearing out of context.
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type0 5y ago
All the trans people I know actually like his jokes, it seems that you are living in a wrong decade that doesn't exist.
Igelau 5y ago
Just a minute there. Putting aside the other comments that pointed out that you're probably making this up... are you saying 18 year old women shouldn't feel empowered to date whoever they damn well please? Who are you to decide an adult woman's rights over her own body? That's creepy fascist territory.
- RC_ITR 5y ago
  Did you read the comment? He didn't say any such thing! He said the man in the situation is not to be adored. Maybe you should look into yourself and question what caused you to interpret it that way.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    Stalking my comments across threads isn't doing you any rhetorical favors. You're really upset about this, and that's a shame.
    - RC_ITR 5y ago
      Was just trying to understand the vibe you were going for on this post & your comment was too perfect not to comment on. Have fun with the 18 year olds.
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raclage 5y ago

Consider that maybe people agree that being confronted with challenging ideas and perspectives is valuable but they don't find the same value in Jerry Seinfeld's comedy as they do in, say, a lecture by someone with radical beliefs.