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It's great these people liked their jobs. I don't think you're going to find enough people like that to fill every janitor position though. Not to mention all

It's great these people liked their jobs. I don't think you're going to find enough people like that to fill every janitor position though. Not to mention all the other jobs which tend to be less desirable that society needs. In any case, I think the discussion has changed here because there is a difference between 'hating your job' and 'doing a job to get paid'

marcus_holmes 5y ago
The Protestant Work Ethic is based around the noble sacrifice of people who work vs people who don't. It almost doesn't matter if you enjoy your work. If you don't work, you shouldn't eat, and work is defined as something that someone pays you for. You can see it here: the number of comments saying basically "why should I work and pay taxes to support people who sit around all day doing nothing?" This totally ignores the carers who don't get paid, but look after their relatives (and if they didn't, the state would have to either pay for that care, or let them die and confront some nasty truths). The volunteers who do god's work and never get paid (I'm an atheist, and I think it's horrible that we as a secular society depend on this, but I recognise the work of people of faith supporting our needy). This whole unpaid system of "work" that isn't "work" because we don't pay people to do it. There is, as you say, a huge difference between "hating your job" and "doing a job to get paid". And it's a massive flaw in our society. No-one should hate their job. Why do we do this to people?
- dbsmith83 5y ago
  > The Protestant Work Ethic is based around the noble sacrifice of people who work vs people who don't. It almost doesn't matter if you enjoy your work. If you don't work, you shouldn't eat, and work is defined as something that someone pays you for. Forget Protestants, how about Mother Nature? You better reproduce and increase entropy of the universe, and who cares if you enjoy it? It's just reality (unfortunately for us). > This totally ignores the carers who don't get paid, but look after their relatives (and if they didn't, the state would have to either pay for that care, or let them die and confront some nasty truths). The volunteers who do god's work and never get paid (I'm an atheist, and I think it's horrible that we as a secular society depend on this, but I recognise the work of people of faith supporting our needy). This whole unpaid system of "work" that isn't "work" because we don't pay people to do it. I actually agree with you here. It is a shame they are not getting paid or some other advantages. UBI could help in this case, but I think there are other solutions that could be more targeted OR society itself could make this more efficient so that either they are paid or it's cheaper to have a service take care of it. > No-one should hate their job. Why do we do this to people? Economics explains why people will take on opportunity over another one. It's all about what they are willing to do for a price. And you know what else? If people are able to freely choose any opportunity they can have in a particular place and choose it, it means that it is (in their eyes) the best one available for them. And it's also relative. There will literally always be people who are dissatisfied with their job if not just because everyone else has a better one (in their eyes). Is the system perfect? No--hell no. We can help people change careers if they want to and increase social mobility etc., but UBI is not the only way. I think a targeted approach is more efficient than just giving everyone money

marcus_holmes 5y ago

The Protestant Work Ethic is based around the noble sacrifice of people who work vs people who don't. It almost doesn't matter if you enjoy your work. If you don't work, you shouldn't eat, and work is defined as something that someone pays you for. You can see it here: the number of comments saying basically "why should I work and pay taxes to support people who sit around all day doing nothing?" This totally ignores the carers who don't get paid, but look after their relatives (and if they didn't, the state would have to either pay for that care, or let them die and confront some nasty truths). The volunteers who do god's work and never get paid (I'm an atheist, and I think it's horrible that we as a secular society depend on this, but I recognise the work of people of faith supporting our needy). This whole unpaid system of "work" that isn't "work" because we don't pay people to do it. There is, as you say, a huge difference between "hating your job" and "doing a job to get paid". And it's a massive flaw in our society. No-one should hate their job. Why do we do this to people?

dbsmith83 5y ago
> The Protestant Work Ethic is based around the noble sacrifice of people who work vs people who don't. It almost doesn't matter if you enjoy your work. If you don't work, you shouldn't eat, and work is defined as something that someone pays you for. Forget Protestants, how about Mother Nature? You better reproduce and increase entropy of the universe, and who cares if you enjoy it? It's just reality (unfortunately for us). > This totally ignores the carers who don't get paid, but look after their relatives (and if they didn't, the state would have to either pay for that care, or let them die and confront some nasty truths). The volunteers who do god's work and never get paid (I'm an atheist, and I think it's horrible that we as a secular society depend on this, but I recognise the work of people of faith supporting our needy). This whole unpaid system of "work" that isn't "work" because we don't pay people to do it. I actually agree with you here. It is a shame they are not getting paid or some other advantages. UBI could help in this case, but I think there are other solutions that could be more targeted OR society itself could make this more efficient so that either they are paid or it's cheaper to have a service take care of it. > No-one should hate their job. Why do we do this to people? Economics explains why people will take on opportunity over another one. It's all about what they are willing to do for a price. And you know what else? If people are able to freely choose any opportunity they can have in a particular place and choose it, it means that it is (in their eyes) the best one available for them. And it's also relative. There will literally always be people who are dissatisfied with their job if not just because everyone else has a better one (in their eyes). Is the system perfect? No--hell no. We can help people change careers if they want to and increase social mobility etc., but UBI is not the only way. I think a targeted approach is more efficient than just giving everyone money