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This is so wrong at so many places. Web App vs Native App (Infographic)

29 points by paliopolis 15y ago

EtienneJohnred 15y ago
If you try to view the post in a mobile browser, you get: "Article not found" Or at least, I am, on my iPhone right now. There's definitely a touch of irony there.
- paliopolis 15y ago
  This is the blog that linked to it and that's how I got to it: http://blog.utest.com/mobile-app-or-web-for-mobile-infographic/2011/07/ http://blog.utest.com/mobile-app-or-web-for-mobile-infograph...
fleitz 15y ago
Oh man, they should really tell Instagram / Angry Birds that their software will work as a webpage and that the user experience on a mobile browser will be that much better.
- unwind 15y ago
  Uh, Angry Birds quite obviously works as a web page (http://chrome.angrybirds.com/?version=hd http://chrome.angrybirds.com/?version=hd), haven't tried it on either mobile or computer browsers though. Just wanted to point out that even high-profile games such as that are indeed becoming available as web pages.
  - cgranade 15y ago
    On laptops and desktops, sure, where there's enough of a computational surplus that the overhead isn't that big a deal. I'm not aware of a web-delivered version of Angry Birds that can work well on phones, though.
  - revorad 15y ago
    Angry birds in the browser is 100x worse than on the iPad. It feels like a totally different game. For a game like that, web apps can't really compete with native apps right now.
    - angryasian 15y ago
      the distinction should be made of mobile web apps vs web apps.. cause there are tons of flash games that outshine Angry Birds in many ways. Just pointing out for clarification.
  - Que 15y ago
    I have never once gotten the browser version to work on my Chromebook.
- angryasian 15y ago
  Games have always been better native, but lets be honest besides game, probably 95% of apps really can be done as web pages.
  - kenjackson 15y ago
    The question isn't "can it be done", but "can it be done well". Windows Mobile 5.0 could do 95% of what the iPhone could do (and a fair bit more). The iPhone did almost all of that 95% overlap better. Better can be the difference between a niche product and a product that changes an industry.
    - angryasian 15y ago
      I don't think anyone will argue with you that the touch interface that the iphone came out with was revolutionary. the better comparison is Android vs iPhone. While you say this, the regular phone is still more abundant than the smart phone.
JakeSc 15y ago
Almost all of those negative points apply to the right column as well.
- cgranade 15y ago
  Should add a few, too, like "hope wireless connection works well or that developer properly prepared manifest," or "hope the developer didn't just assume 'web app' meant 'test in Safari Mobile only,'" etc.
  - paliopolis 15y ago
    And not just that but not all the native apps have-to-have-an-active-internet connection vs. a web based app.
    - cgranade 15y ago
      Not all web apps do, either, thanks to HTML5 Manifests and the like. That said, not everything plays along well with offline web apps, sadly.
dfxm12 15y ago
Even this highly simplified view changes once you have the app installed. With a native app, you have an icon right there on the user's home screen. The web app would require more typing and clicking.
- gte910h 15y ago
  On iOS you can hit the plus button on any web page to add it to the home screen, making an icon right there on the user's home screen.
  - city41 15y ago
    This is true in Chrome, Windows and ChromeOS as well. Android probably does too, although I don't know for a fact. The notion that a web app is "just a web page" is really starting to fade away.
swhopkins 15y ago
This avoids the one major reason that I think most developers choose to develop native apps - how much easier it is to charge for it.
- blueskittle 15y ago
  It also sidesteps many of the shortcomings associated with going the HTML5 route. In short, it's not an fair, objective comparison of the two.
MetaMan 15y ago
Am I the only one getting fed up with these stupid "religious" wars in much of the IT world? There are many valid cases where native is the better approach and others where web-app is best ! Any decent developer will do their homework and select appropriately. BTW - many of the 'problems' high-lighted on the graph apply to both Native and Web-apps and there are some additional ones with Web-apps but I can't be bothered to spell them out. Bah !!
- jamesaguilar 15y ago
  > Am I the only one . . . If you have to ask this question, the answer is probably no.
hezekiah 15y ago
Native apps are going the way of the dodo; where they survive I expect a universal browser interface ala phonegap.
tlrobinson 15y ago
The only valid negative point I see here is "update app", which is really the web-as-deployment-platform's killer feature from a user's perspective. I do hate having to update 20+ apps on a regular basis, it should just be on-demand.
- eridius 15y ago
  The problem with invisible updates is sometimes you don't want to get the update at all. This is especially true if you work in a corporate environment and you need to re-certify each version of the app for use on your work-provided devices.
  - tlrobinson 15y ago
    HTML5's Application Cache can solve that to some extent. I believe you can prompt to user to ask if they want to update (though once it's updated there's no going back, or installing previous version initially, unless the site provides mirrors of old version)
    - saurik 15y ago
      This question is only going to be relevant if the application is already open: if you close your browser windows and then re-open the application it will use the latest cache and evict the older ones. In essence, this mechanism is designed to allow an application to operate with an atomic version of the resources it requires for operation, and is not designed to allow the user to manage old versions.
garyrichardson 15y ago
Never had any of the problems on the left with my iPhone. Seems like FUD to me.
gst 15y ago
If it's so wrong, then why do you post it?
kapilkale 15y ago
HTML5 support for things like geolocation / camera usage is inconsistent across models and generally brittle. The upside is that mobile web is really low friction and allows for instant deployment, but there's functionality and no good management system like the home screen. I've used the Quora web app occasionally. But if I had actually had a Quora app on my home screen, I'd use it far more frequently.
- saurik 15y ago
  Web applications can be icons on your home screen (at least on the iPhone): just click (+) and "add to home screen". If the application is setup correctly, when spawned in this manner it will also appear without any browser chrome, allowing it to be a truly full screen application.
klagan 15y ago
WTF is this shit....was this a joke?
- qq66 15y ago
  No, just PR material from a company with a horse in the race, targeted at people who are too poorly informed to see through it.
pacomerh 15y ago
This is just an excuse to drop a semi-cool design on the web using a hot topic, very typical these days.
DanHulton 15y ago
And of course, this whole thing ignores an entirely different entry point "Discover new app". It assumes you are specifically searching for the app in question. What the app store and it's ilk offer is exposure. Angry Birds has been near the top of the top 25 on the app store since launch, and that alone drives continuous sales. If you're an incredibly well-selling web app, you STILL have to market and spend and shout to get yourself known. No matter how well you're doing, your word of mouth still probably doesn't beat Apple's Top 25 board.
- saurik 15y ago
  The App Store offers exposure to a few hundred applications that are at the top of their category due to intentionally difficult to predict algorithms; relying on this mechanism for users discovering your app is asking for failure and makes about as much sense as making a web page and hoping that it appears on the front page of a website catalog/portal like Yahoo for the lifetime of the product. For 99.99% of the applications in the store, people are going to be finding out about it from online reviews, word of mouth, and search engines.
duggi 15y ago
its 100% amateur hour in here
schwa 15y ago
Apps may contain viruses? FUD pure FUD
ramchip 15y ago
This is useless flamebait.
drdaeman 15y ago
A lie by omission. They forgot to warn (following their warnings upside down): 1. Website can be malicious, too. Phishing, clickjacking, XSRFs, browser exploits - there's a lot of nonpleasant stuff on the web. 2. Websites can't manage memory and other resources at all. Sure, you, for example, can try to measure performance and disable UI effects, but that's another story. 3. In a same way, users must have enough of free space where browser's application cache is kept, too. Or you'll strain network re-downloading same data over and over again. This is especially annoying for roaming and other areas with high $/MiB cost or countryside with slow GPRS connectivity. 4. Website can fail, too. And if this is not some user-local network problems, this is more disasterous than a crash of a single copy of app on someone's device - your "webapp" works for noone at that time. 5. And, obviously, in a same way as removing the app, users could delete the bookmark for your service.

29 points by paliopolis 15y ago

If you try to view the post in a mobile browser, you get: "Article not found" Or at least, I am, on my iPhone right now. There's definitely a touch of irony there.

paliopolis 15y ago
This is the blog that linked to it and that's how I got to it: http://blog.utest.com/mobile-app-or-web-for-mobile-infographic/2011/07/ http://blog.utest.com/mobile-app-or-web-for-mobile-infograph...

fleitz 15y ago

Oh man, they should really tell Instagram / Angry Birds that their software will work as a webpage and that the user experience on a mobile browser will be that much better.

unwind 15y ago
Uh, Angry Birds quite obviously works as a web page (http://chrome.angrybirds.com/?version=hd http://chrome.angrybirds.com/?version=hd), haven't tried it on either mobile or computer browsers though. Just wanted to point out that even high-profile games such as that are indeed becoming available as web pages.
- cgranade 15y ago
  On laptops and desktops, sure, where there's enough of a computational surplus that the overhead isn't that big a deal. I'm not aware of a web-delivered version of Angry Birds that can work well on phones, though.
- revorad 15y ago
  Angry birds in the browser is 100x worse than on the iPad. It feels like a totally different game. For a game like that, web apps can't really compete with native apps right now.
  - angryasian 15y ago
    the distinction should be made of mobile web apps vs web apps.. cause there are tons of flash games that outshine Angry Birds in many ways. Just pointing out for clarification.
- Que 15y ago
  I have never once gotten the browser version to work on my Chromebook.
angryasian 15y ago
Games have always been better native, but lets be honest besides game, probably 95% of apps really can be done as web pages.
- kenjackson 15y ago
  The question isn't "can it be done", but "can it be done well". Windows Mobile 5.0 could do 95% of what the iPhone could do (and a fair bit more). The iPhone did almost all of that 95% overlap better. Better can be the difference between a niche product and a product that changes an industry.
  - angryasian 15y ago
    I don't think anyone will argue with you that the touch interface that the iphone came out with was revolutionary. the better comparison is Android vs iPhone. While you say this, the regular phone is still more abundant than the smart phone.

JakeSc 15y ago

Almost all of those negative points apply to the right column as well.

cgranade 15y ago
Should add a few, too, like "hope wireless connection works well or that developer properly prepared manifest," or "hope the developer didn't just assume 'web app' meant 'test in Safari Mobile only,'" etc.
- paliopolis 15y ago
  And not just that but not all the native apps have-to-have-an-active-internet connection vs. a web based app.
  - cgranade 15y ago
    Not all web apps do, either, thanks to HTML5 Manifests and the like. That said, not everything plays along well with offline web apps, sadly.

dfxm12 15y ago

Even this highly simplified view changes once you have the app installed. With a native app, you have an icon right there on the user's home screen. The web app would require more typing and clicking.

gte910h 15y ago
On iOS you can hit the plus button on any web page to add it to the home screen, making an icon right there on the user's home screen.
- city41 15y ago
  This is true in Chrome, Windows and ChromeOS as well. Android probably does too, although I don't know for a fact. The notion that a web app is "just a web page" is really starting to fade away.

swhopkins 15y ago

This avoids the one major reason that I think most developers choose to develop native apps - how much easier it is to charge for it.

blueskittle 15y ago
It also sidesteps many of the shortcomings associated with going the HTML5 route. In short, it's not an fair, objective comparison of the two.

MetaMan 15y ago

Am I the only one getting fed up with these stupid "religious" wars in much of the IT world? There are many valid cases where native is the better approach and others where web-app is best ! Any decent developer will do their homework and select appropriately. BTW - many of the 'problems' high-lighted on the graph apply to both Native and Web-apps and there are some additional ones with Web-apps but I can't be bothered to spell them out. Bah !!

jamesaguilar 15y ago
> Am I the only one . . . If you have to ask this question, the answer is probably no.

hezekiah 15y ago

Native apps are going the way of the dodo; where they survive I expect a universal browser interface ala phonegap.

tlrobinson 15y ago

The only valid negative point I see here is "update app", which is really the web-as-deployment-platform's killer feature from a user's perspective. I do hate having to update 20+ apps on a regular basis, it should just be on-demand.

eridius 15y ago
The problem with invisible updates is sometimes you don't want to get the update at all. This is especially true if you work in a corporate environment and you need to re-certify each version of the app for use on your work-provided devices.
- tlrobinson 15y ago
  HTML5's Application Cache can solve that to some extent. I believe you can prompt to user to ask if they want to update (though once it's updated there's no going back, or installing previous version initially, unless the site provides mirrors of old version)
  - saurik 15y ago
    This question is only going to be relevant if the application is already open: if you close your browser windows and then re-open the application it will use the latest cache and evict the older ones. In essence, this mechanism is designed to allow an application to operate with an atomic version of the resources it requires for operation, and is not designed to allow the user to manage old versions.

garyrichardson 15y ago

Never had any of the problems on the left with my iPhone. Seems like FUD to me.

gst 15y ago

If it's so wrong, then why do you post it?

kapilkale 15y ago

HTML5 support for things like geolocation / camera usage is inconsistent across models and generally brittle. The upside is that mobile web is really low friction and allows for instant deployment, but there's functionality and no good management system like the home screen. I've used the Quora web app occasionally. But if I had actually had a Quora app on my home screen, I'd use it far more frequently.

saurik 15y ago
Web applications can be icons on your home screen (at least on the iPhone): just click (+) and "add to home screen". If the application is setup correctly, when spawned in this manner it will also appear without any browser chrome, allowing it to be a truly full screen application.

klagan 15y ago

WTF is this shit....was this a joke?

qq66 15y ago
No, just PR material from a company with a horse in the race, targeted at people who are too poorly informed to see through it.

pacomerh 15y ago

This is just an excuse to drop a semi-cool design on the web using a hot topic, very typical these days.

DanHulton 15y ago

And of course, this whole thing ignores an entirely different entry point "Discover new app". It assumes you are specifically searching for the app in question. What the app store and it's ilk offer is exposure. Angry Birds has been near the top of the top 25 on the app store since launch, and that alone drives continuous sales. If you're an incredibly well-selling web app, you STILL have to market and spend and shout to get yourself known. No matter how well you're doing, your word of mouth still probably doesn't beat Apple's Top 25 board.

saurik 15y ago
The App Store offers exposure to a few hundred applications that are at the top of their category due to intentionally difficult to predict algorithms; relying on this mechanism for users discovering your app is asking for failure and makes about as much sense as making a web page and hoping that it appears on the front page of a website catalog/portal like Yahoo for the lifetime of the product. For 99.99% of the applications in the store, people are going to be finding out about it from online reviews, word of mouth, and search engines.

duggi 15y ago

its 100% amateur hour in here

schwa 15y ago

Apps may contain viruses? FUD pure FUD

ramchip 15y ago

This is useless flamebait.

drdaeman 15y ago

A lie by omission. They forgot to warn (following their warnings upside down): 1. Website can be malicious, too. Phishing, clickjacking, XSRFs, browser exploits - there's a lot of nonpleasant stuff on the web. 2. Websites can't manage memory and other resources at all. Sure, you, for example, can try to measure performance and disable UI effects, but that's another story. 3. In a same way, users must have enough of free space where browser's application cache is kept, too. Or you'll strain network re-downloading same data over and over again. This is especially annoying for roaming and other areas with high $/MiB cost or countryside with slow GPRS connectivity. 4. Website can fail, too. And if this is not some user-local network problems, this is more disasterous than a crash of a single copy of app on someone's device - your "webapp" works for noone at that time. 5. And, obviously, in a same way as removing the app, users could delete the bookmark for your service.