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Did you know that toxic groups can have banal names? Its true.

by jayd16 5y ago

makomk 5y ago
No, this really is just a cynical way of lumping thinking of men as people together with misogyny and violence against women in an effort to dicredit it for ideological reasons. In particular, the groups lumped together as "the manosphere" absolutely hate each other over fundamental ideological and moral differences regarding pretty much everything.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  > ... absolutely hate each other over fundamental differences ... Evidence? It looks like these other "manosphere" movements haven't even bothered to denounce the blatantly hateful acts of mass murder and domestic terrorism linked to the notorious "incel" losers, so I kinda have to dispute this statement.
  - makomk 5y ago
    Not something I could easily dig up - it's been a few years now since I last looked in on any of this, and all the convenient summaries like this one insisted that they were part of some universal "manosphere" that could be painted with a broad brush and didn't care about or believe any denunciations of hateful acts or other groups back then too.
    - zozbot234 5y ago
      But see, that's the point - if these groups really hate one another to that extent, it should be trivial to dig up. So far, the broader "manosphere" description seems more accurate than not.
blueprint 5y ago
In my opinion the bias/flaw OP is indicating can be confirmed in this sentence: "we contextualize the incel community's online expressions of misogyny and real-world acts of violence" which was preceded by defining the "incel community" as "an online community of men who bear antipathy towards themselves, women, and society-at-large for their perceived inability to find and maintain sexual relationships". This can produce a conflation in the reader's understanding and if accepted at face value makes a fallacious argument to invalidate such "antipathy" where it may often not remotely be combined with either unfairness/invalidity nor violence. It's irresponsible towards future generations, and will also set a precedent to ruin scientific practice, if that has not occurred already.

Did you know that toxic groups can have banal names? Its true.

by jayd16 5y ago

Did you know that toxic groups can have banal names? Its true.

No, this really is just a cynical way of lumping thinking of men as people together with misogyny and violence against women in an effort to dicredit it for ideological reasons. In particular, the groups lumped together as "the manosphere" absolutely hate each other over fundamental ideological and moral differences regarding pretty much everything.

zozbot234 5y ago
> ... absolutely hate each other over fundamental differences ... Evidence? It looks like these other "manosphere" movements haven't even bothered to denounce the blatantly hateful acts of mass murder and domestic terrorism linked to the notorious "incel" losers, so I kinda have to dispute this statement.
- makomk 5y ago
  Not something I could easily dig up - it's been a few years now since I last looked in on any of this, and all the convenient summaries like this one insisted that they were part of some universal "manosphere" that could be painted with a broad brush and didn't care about or believe any denunciations of hateful acts or other groups back then too.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    But see, that's the point - if these groups really hate one another to that extent, it should be trivial to dig up. So far, the broader "manosphere" description seems more accurate than not.

blueprint 5y ago

In my opinion the bias/flaw OP is indicating can be confirmed in this sentence: "we contextualize the incel community's online expressions of misogyny and real-world acts of violence" which was preceded by defining the "incel community" as "an online community of men who bear antipathy towards themselves, women, and society-at-large for their perceived inability to find and maintain sexual relationships". This can produce a conflation in the reader's understanding and if accepted at face value makes a fallacious argument to invalidate such "antipathy" where it may often not remotely be combined with either unfairness/invalidity nor violence. It's irresponsible towards future generations, and will also set a precedent to ruin scientific practice, if that has not occurred already.