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Not true. In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, o

by lawl 5y ago

Not true. In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc. So imo, "many sources, bing is just one" is misleading, as the main SERPs are pretty much straight up bing. (Note: I've used ddg as my main search engine for years)

Nicksil 5y ago
>Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.
- lawl 5y ago
  They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey [2] https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey [3] https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey [5] https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey [6] https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey
  - Nicksil 5y ago
    >They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?
    - lawl 5y ago
      > You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here? No, I didn't, and in my first post I also said they aren't from bing: > What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc I also said that I've used ddg for years. Presumably that had a reason? I said the main results are pretty much straight bing, and have now backed it up, about as well as you can reasonably expect me to. That's all there's to it. Please don't interpret more into what I wrote, than what I actually wrote.
      - Nicksil 5y ago
        I stated >Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results You stated >Not true. I then backed-up my statement with a source. You still haven't made clear what part of my statement was not true.
        iudqnolq 5y ago
        Obviously they're saying (correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. And by search results they clearly mean the list of links wherein you click on a link and go to a webpage that matches your query.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        >Obviously they're saying(correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. This makes no sense. What I said is still there. I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns.
        bscphil 5y ago
        > I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns. No, you said it was one of many. Implying that there are other sources that users are likely to actually encounter in practice feeding the search results page. That's what your repliers are saying is untrue.
  - bilkow 5y ago
    > They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. They talk about both, "traditional links" are not instant answers: "We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google)." > Try some searches for yourself and see that the results are basically identical to bing I disagree on your definition of "basically identical". Google and Bing results (in a private window) are more similar to me than DDG and Google: Bing: 1. https://www.monkey.exchange https://www.monkey.exchange 2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 3. https://www.monkey.cool https://www.monkey.cool 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey 5. https://pt.surveymonkey.com/ https://pt.surveymonkey.com/ (change page) 6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q (TONES AND I - DANCE MONKEY (OFFICIAL VIDEO)) 8. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series) 10. https://www.monkey.vision/ https://www.monkey.vision/ DDG: 1. https://www.monkey.cool https://www.monkey.cool 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey 3. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 4. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 5. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monkey https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monkey 6. 2pchat.monkey.cool 7. https://www.livescience.com/27944-monkeys.html https://www.livescience.com/27944-monkeys.html 8. https://a-z-animals.com/animals/monkey/ https://a-z-animals.com/animals/monkey/ 9. https://www.monkeyworlds.com/ https://www.monkeyworlds.com/ 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrnSJLXGBg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrnSJLXGBg (Mokey's Show - Is Not Christmas - YouTube) Google (after changing to english bc they don't respect browser prefs...): 1. https://www.monkey.exchange https://www.monkey.exchange 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey (Videos links) 3. https://www.motociclismoonline.com.br/noticias/honda-monkey-125-ganha-novo-motor-e-cambio-de-5-marchas/ https://www.motociclismoonline.com.br/noticias/honda-monkey-... ("localized" news bc I can't get rid of it) 4. https://www.linkedin.com/company/monkeyexchange https://www.linkedin.com/company/monkeyexchange 5. https://motor1.uol.com.br/news/515705/honda-monkey-125-2022-oficial/ https://motor1.uol.com.br/news/515705/honda-monkey-125-2022-... (also localized) 6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 7. https://hbr.org/1999/11/management-time-whos-got-the-monkey https://hbr.org/1999/11/management-time-whos-got-the-monkey 8. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 9. https://www.surveymonkey.com/user/sign-up/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/user/sign-up/ 10. https://www.surveymonkey.com/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/ DDG has more "monkey" definitions than both Google and Bing, all have Wikipedia, all have cool.monkey (in different ways), Bing + Google have monkey.exchange and surveymonkey, the video's the same on Google and Bing, all of them have some unique links (such as monkey.vision and monkeyworlds.com) Also two of the results ("Mokey's Show" youtube video and 2pchat.monkey.cool) are not on the first 10 pages of Bing's results, if at all. (Edit: formatting and the two results)
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by lawl 5y ago

Nicksil 5y ago

>Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.

lawl 5y ago
They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey [2] https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey [3] https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey [5] https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey [6] https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey
- Nicksil 5y ago
  >They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?
  - lawl 5y ago
    > You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here? No, I didn't, and in my first post I also said they aren't from bing: > What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc I also said that I've used ddg for years. Presumably that had a reason? I said the main results are pretty much straight bing, and have now backed it up, about as well as you can reasonably expect me to. That's all there's to it. Please don't interpret more into what I wrote, than what I actually wrote.
    - Nicksil 5y ago
      I stated >Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results You stated >Not true. I then backed-up my statement with a source. You still haven't made clear what part of my statement was not true.
      - iudqnolq 5y ago
        Obviously they're saying (correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. And by search results they clearly mean the list of links wherein you click on a link and go to a webpage that matches your query.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        >Obviously they're saying(correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. This makes no sense. What I said is still there. I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns.
        bscphil 5y ago
        > I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns. No, you said it was one of many. Implying that there are other sources that users are likely to actually encounter in practice feeding the search results page. That's what your repliers are saying is untrue.
- bilkow 5y ago
  > They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. They talk about both, "traditional links" are not instant answers: "We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google)." > Try some searches for yourself and see that the results are basically identical to bing I disagree on your definition of "basically identical". Google and Bing results (in a private window) are more similar to me than DDG and Google: Bing: 1. https://www.monkey.exchange https://www.monkey.exchange 2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 3. https://www.monkey.cool https://www.monkey.cool 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey 5. https://pt.surveymonkey.com/ https://pt.surveymonkey.com/ (change page) 6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q (TONES AND I - DANCE MONKEY (OFFICIAL VIDEO)) 8. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series) 10. https://www.monkey.vision/ https://www.monkey.vision/ DDG: 1. https://www.monkey.cool https://www.monkey.cool 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey 3. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 4. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 5. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monkey https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monkey 6. 2pchat.monkey.cool 7. https://www.livescience.com/27944-monkeys.html https://www.livescience.com/27944-monkeys.html 8. https://a-z-animals.com/animals/monkey/ https://a-z-animals.com/animals/monkey/ 9. https://www.monkeyworlds.com/ https://www.monkeyworlds.com/ 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrnSJLXGBg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrnSJLXGBg (Mokey's Show - Is Not Christmas - YouTube) Google (after changing to english bc they don't respect browser prefs...): 1. https://www.monkey.exchange https://www.monkey.exchange 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey (Videos links) 3. https://www.motociclismoonline.com.br/noticias/honda-monkey-125-ganha-novo-motor-e-cambio-de-5-marchas/ https://www.motociclismoonline.com.br/noticias/honda-monkey-... ("localized" news bc I can't get rid of it) 4. https://www.linkedin.com/company/monkeyexchange https://www.linkedin.com/company/monkeyexchange 5. https://motor1.uol.com.br/news/515705/honda-monkey-125-2022-oficial/ https://motor1.uol.com.br/news/515705/honda-monkey-125-2022-... (also localized) 6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.android&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cool.monkey.an... 7. https://hbr.org/1999/11/management-time-whos-got-the-monkey https://hbr.org/1999/11/management-time-whos-got-the-monkey 8. https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey https://www.britannica.com/animal/monkey 9. https://www.surveymonkey.com/user/sign-up/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/user/sign-up/ 10. https://www.surveymonkey.com/ https://www.surveymonkey.com/ DDG has more "monkey" definitions than both Google and Bing, all have Wikipedia, all have cool.monkey (in different ways), Bing + Google have monkey.exchange and surveymonkey, the video's the same on Google and Bing, all of them have some unique links (such as monkey.vision and monkeyworlds.com) Also two of the results ("Mokey's Show" youtube video and 2pchat.monkey.cool) are not on the first 10 pages of Bing's results, if at all. (Edit: formatting and the two results)
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