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Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a

by axaxs 5y ago

Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a browser, so here's hoping search pans out. I don't mind a company profiling me. A lot of Google's cross interacting products work great(Gmail to Calendar and Maps, for example). I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. A guy can dream...

smoldesu 5y ago
> I don't mind a company profiling me Not everyone has that luxury. > I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data Then your data is worthless to them. Nobody wants companies to abuse their personal data, that's why it's such a lucrative business. Companies like Apple and Brave get away with it by edging out competition and instating their own standards (see: Brave's Ad "replacement"). It's all so ridiculously asinine that it makes me want to uninstall every piece of software from my computer and use it exclusively as a space heater for the rest of my life.
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- axaxs 5y ago
  > Then your data is worthless to them This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    The issue is that you're not describing a sustainable business model. Sure, it would be a much better situation than we have now, but you can't cover hosting fees with data bills.
    - squiggleblaz 5y ago
      That's a strange argument. "If we pay you for the product you give us, we'll never be able to pay our service providers. Instead, we'll give sell it to someone else."
    - xpe 5y ago
      If there was a broadly enforced requirement to pay users for their data, businesses would adapt.
    - Closi 5y ago
      Uh oh, someone better tell Microsoft that charging businesses for Exchange isn’t a sustainable business model.
    - COGlory 5y ago
      How much money does Google make again?
- chiefalchemist 5y ago
  You should read The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swMo1sK5ntk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swMo1sK5ntk
- jonathansampson 5y ago
  Brave isn't capturing user data, and the "replacement" topic requires more nuanced coverage. Internet users have been installing ad-and-content blockers long before Brave (when Netscape launched the Plugin API back in 1996 or so, ad-blockers began to appear almost immediately). Brave is rescuing the Web from a block-alone response, which starves content creators of much-needed support. Brave also increases the potential for support by giving users without disposable income (and those with disposable income) the ability to support those who make the Web enjoyable. We do this in a manner which is low-friction, and anonymous too (thanks to the Basic Attention Token). Brave has introduced a model that understands the security and privacy reasons for blocking third-party ads and trackers. But Brave doesn't stop there (as is the case with popular blockers); it also aims to address the issue of content sustainability online.
- slver 5y ago
  > > I don't mind a company profiling me > Not everyone has that luxury. Defend that statement.
judge2020 5y ago
> I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. You can get pretty close to that by buying YT Premium [if you watch YouTube] and using an adblocker everywhere else, and this gives Google the non-ad-based monetary incentive to profile your viewing habits to show you more videos it thinks you'll like without optimizing for Ads.
nl 5y ago
> I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. Google doesn't sell your data. They sell the opportunity for companies to place their ads based on Google's placement algorithms, which use your data. There is a big difference, and while I don't expect the general population makes the distinction I think on HN people should understand this.

by axaxs 5y ago

smoldesu 5y ago

> I don't mind a company profiling me Not everyone has that luxury. > I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data Then your data is worthless to them. Nobody wants companies to abuse their personal data, that's why it's such a lucrative business. Companies like Apple and Brave get away with it by edging out competition and instating their own standards (see: Brave's Ad "replacement"). It's all so ridiculously asinine that it makes me want to uninstall every piece of software from my computer and use it exclusively as a space heater for the rest of my life.

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axaxs 5y ago
> Then your data is worthless to them This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  The issue is that you're not describing a sustainable business model. Sure, it would be a much better situation than we have now, but you can't cover hosting fees with data bills.
  - squiggleblaz 5y ago
    That's a strange argument. "If we pay you for the product you give us, we'll never be able to pay our service providers. Instead, we'll give sell it to someone else."
  - xpe 5y ago
    If there was a broadly enforced requirement to pay users for their data, businesses would adapt.
  - Closi 5y ago
    Uh oh, someone better tell Microsoft that charging businesses for Exchange isn’t a sustainable business model.
  - COGlory 5y ago
    How much money does Google make again?
chiefalchemist 5y ago
You should read The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swMo1sK5ntk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swMo1sK5ntk
jonathansampson 5y ago
Brave isn't capturing user data, and the "replacement" topic requires more nuanced coverage. Internet users have been installing ad-and-content blockers long before Brave (when Netscape launched the Plugin API back in 1996 or so, ad-blockers began to appear almost immediately). Brave is rescuing the Web from a block-alone response, which starves content creators of much-needed support. Brave also increases the potential for support by giving users without disposable income (and those with disposable income) the ability to support those who make the Web enjoyable. We do this in a manner which is low-friction, and anonymous too (thanks to the Basic Attention Token). Brave has introduced a model that understands the security and privacy reasons for blocking third-party ads and trackers. But Brave doesn't stop there (as is the case with popular blockers); it also aims to address the issue of content sustainability online.
slver 5y ago
> > I don't mind a company profiling me > Not everyone has that luxury. Defend that statement.

judge2020 5y ago

> I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. You can get pretty close to that by buying YT Premium [if you watch YouTube] and using an adblocker everywhere else, and this gives Google the non-ad-based monetary incentive to profile your viewing habits to show you more videos it thinks you'll like without optimizing for Ads.

nl 5y ago

> I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. Google doesn't sell your data. They sell the opportunity for companies to place their ads based on Google's placement algorithms, which use your data. There is a big difference, and while I don't expect the general population makes the distinction I think on HN people should understand this.