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Coffee is a fruit. Fruit and vegetable consumption is unquestionably good for your health. I don't know why people find it so shocking that drinking coffee woul

Coffee is a fruit. Fruit and vegetable consumption is unquestionably good for your health. I don't know why people find it so shocking that drinking coffee would be healthy.

Mediterraneo10 5y ago
Experts generally regard fruit consumption as beneficial due to the fiber, not so much the rest of it, and squeezing the fruit for its juice (or drying it) is viewed as a risk of excessive sugar intake. In any event, in the case of coffee its consumption bears little resemblance to what would ordinarily be regarded as a fruit.
- sheepdestroyer 5y ago
  Fruits are full of phytochemicals like polyphenols that have shown interesting health effects. Coffee has quite a high polyphenols content too.
  - 1_player 5y ago
    Phytochemicals literally just means "chemicals from a plant", which include the infamous antioxidants as well as toxins, hormone disruptors, GABA agonists and other poisons in general. Some fruits have some compounds, along thousands of unspecified others, which seem to have a beneficial effect, most often in-vitro. Regarding polyphenols, there is no hard, concrete evidence that any have actual positive health benefits. One thing is for sure, the marketing surrounding these "5 a day to be healthy" is extremely strong and widespread.
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  > Experts generally regard fruit consumption as beneficial due to the fiber, This is an outdated theory, that is no longer supported by the current state of the research. The health benefits of fruits and vegetables is primarily driven by phytochemical, not fibers.[1] [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3650511/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3650511/
1_player 5y ago
The above comment has so many levels of generalisation and misconceptions that I wouldn't even know where to start debating it. Not all fruit nor vegetables are healthy, unless you consider the healthy ones only (how do you determine that scientifically?) then it's just nonsense. Also coffee is a seed first, and seeds in general are potentially the most toxic, as evolution would prefer seeds to grow, instead of being eaten. The fact that the toxic compounds of a seed give us a nice buzz and don't kill us instead is a pretty nice coincidence. And let's not even go into the "are fruits really healthy?" debate which is long, as reality is often more complex than quick slogans such as "eat colours and be healthy."
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  > Not all fruit nor vegetables are healthy, Find a single peer-reviewed study that finds any widely consumed vegetable or fruit has negative correlation with all-cause mortality. > Also coffee is a seed first, and seeds in general are potentially the most toxic, Legumes, which as a class are seeds, have a very strong inverse relationship with all-cause mortality.[1] There's zero empirical reason to believe that seeds are unhealthy, and very strong reason to believe that seeds, as with any plant-based food, are widely health-promoting. > And let's not even go into the "are fruits really healthy?" debate which is long No it's not. Fruit consumption is strongly associated with lower all-cause mortality. Even controlling for vegetable consumption.[2] The science is settled. Denying that fruit consumption is health-promoting is about as scientifically illiterate as denying that cigarette smoothing is unhealthy. [1]https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2017/8450618/ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2017/8450618/ [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5837264/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5837264/
  - Tagbert 5y ago
    Many Legumes are f toxic. Don’t try to eat Sweet Peas. Before domestication beans had to be treated by soaking to leach out the toxic compounds. They only became benign through domestication selecting less toxic versions.
    - 5y ago

Coffee is a fruit. Fruit and vegetable consumption is unquestionably good for your health. I don't know why people find it so shocking that drinking coffee would be healthy.

Mediterraneo10 5y ago

Experts generally regard fruit consumption as beneficial due to the fiber, not so much the rest of it, and squeezing the fruit for its juice (or drying it) is viewed as a risk of excessive sugar intake. In any event, in the case of coffee its consumption bears little resemblance to what would ordinarily be regarded as a fruit.

sheepdestroyer 5y ago
Fruits are full of phytochemicals like polyphenols that have shown interesting health effects. Coffee has quite a high polyphenols content too.
- 1_player 5y ago
  Phytochemicals literally just means "chemicals from a plant", which include the infamous antioxidants as well as toxins, hormone disruptors, GABA agonists and other poisons in general. Some fruits have some compounds, along thousands of unspecified others, which seem to have a beneficial effect, most often in-vitro. Regarding polyphenols, there is no hard, concrete evidence that any have actual positive health benefits. One thing is for sure, the marketing surrounding these "5 a day to be healthy" is extremely strong and widespread.
dcolkitt 5y ago
> Experts generally regard fruit consumption as beneficial due to the fiber, This is an outdated theory, that is no longer supported by the current state of the research. The health benefits of fruits and vegetables is primarily driven by phytochemical, not fibers.[1] [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3650511/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3650511/

1_player 5y ago

The above comment has so many levels of generalisation and misconceptions that I wouldn't even know where to start debating it. Not all fruit nor vegetables are healthy, unless you consider the healthy ones only (how do you determine that scientifically?) then it's just nonsense. Also coffee is a seed first, and seeds in general are potentially the most toxic, as evolution would prefer seeds to grow, instead of being eaten. The fact that the toxic compounds of a seed give us a nice buzz and don't kill us instead is a pretty nice coincidence. And let's not even go into the "are fruits really healthy?" debate which is long, as reality is often more complex than quick slogans such as "eat colours and be healthy."

dcolkitt 5y ago
> Not all fruit nor vegetables are healthy, Find a single peer-reviewed study that finds any widely consumed vegetable or fruit has negative correlation with all-cause mortality. > Also coffee is a seed first, and seeds in general are potentially the most toxic, Legumes, which as a class are seeds, have a very strong inverse relationship with all-cause mortality.[1] There's zero empirical reason to believe that seeds are unhealthy, and very strong reason to believe that seeds, as with any plant-based food, are widely health-promoting. > And let's not even go into the "are fruits really healthy?" debate which is long No it's not. Fruit consumption is strongly associated with lower all-cause mortality. Even controlling for vegetable consumption.[2] The science is settled. Denying that fruit consumption is health-promoting is about as scientifically illiterate as denying that cigarette smoothing is unhealthy. [1]https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2017/8450618/ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2017/8450618/ [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5837264/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5837264/
- Tagbert 5y ago
  Many Legumes are f toxic. Don’t try to eat Sweet Peas. Before domestication beans had to be treated by soaking to leach out the toxic compounds. They only became benign through domestication selecting less toxic versions.
  - 5y ago