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> but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his compan

by rkk3 5y ago

> but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his company ignore that he publicly apologized for doing sexually inappropriate things at work events? [1] https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement-regarding-noah-bradley-2020-06-22 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement... "Noah Bradley, engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with members of the Magic and artist community."

dcow 5y ago
…because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.
- rkk3 5y ago
  > Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.
  - dcow 5y ago
    It doesn't work that way. Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct of their employees unless we're talking about specifically being on the job/clock when the misconduct occurred. Given Noah contracted, the company isn't liable in the first place and even if he were an employee, I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) is relevant to the job description.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      > Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct It's not alleged, he published a written apology. > I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events. Yes companies do not want their employees to be sexually inappropriate with other employees, vendors and community members at their conference's and workshops.
      - dcow 5y ago
        > It's not alleged, he published a written apology. The point is it's not legally problematic. He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. There's nuance here. > These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like.
        rkk3 5y ago
        > Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like. https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admits-to-being-a-sexual-predator-at-art-industry-events/ https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi... > He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. His apology is Screenshoted in the above link. "I was terrible to women. I preyed on them, I ceaselessly hit on them, I pressured them into sex. Yes I was one of those creepy sexual predators you hear about". You really think this doesn't meet definition of sexual harassment? It seems pretty clear he admits to "unwelcome sexual advances" and creating "a hostile or offensive work environment" https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-harassment https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-harassment.
        dcow 5y ago
        nit: I can't find source material indicating these were actually industry events. The article mentions they are, but that's just twitter "journalism". If you are at a happy hour the Friday night on the first day of a conference, is that a work event? Probably depends on who you ask and their bias. Anyway, it doesn't matter what you or I think about Noah's behavior. We would probably come to the same conclusion, you and I, if we were sitting on a jury together presented with facts. Neither of us want sexual assault to go unpunished. The point of my initial comment is that I don't think society benefits from extrajudicial groups and I do not consider firing someone, even if the mob was right, appropriate justice. If Noah is guilty of sexual harassment, that's a serious crime and he should be treated as a criminal. As a society we have mechanisms in place to handle these situations. A twitter shitfest is not the appropriate mechanism.

by rkk3 5y ago

dcow 5y ago

…because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.

rkk3 5y ago
> Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.
- dcow 5y ago
  It doesn't work that way. Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct of their employees unless we're talking about specifically being on the job/clock when the misconduct occurred. Given Noah contracted, the company isn't liable in the first place and even if he were an employee, I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) is relevant to the job description.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct It's not alleged, he published a written apology. > I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events. Yes companies do not want their employees to be sexually inappropriate with other employees, vendors and community members at their conference's and workshops.
    - dcow 5y ago
      > It's not alleged, he published a written apology. The point is it's not legally problematic. He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. There's nuance here. > These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like.
      - rkk3 5y ago
        > Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like. https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admits-to-being-a-sexual-predator-at-art-industry-events/ https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi... > He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. His apology is Screenshoted in the above link. "I was terrible to women. I preyed on them, I ceaselessly hit on them, I pressured them into sex. Yes I was one of those creepy sexual predators you hear about". You really think this doesn't meet definition of sexual harassment? It seems pretty clear he admits to "unwelcome sexual advances" and creating "a hostile or offensive work environment" https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-harassment https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-harassment.
        dcow 5y ago
        nit: I can't find source material indicating these were actually industry events. The article mentions they are, but that's just twitter "journalism". If you are at a happy hour the Friday night on the first day of a conference, is that a work event? Probably depends on who you ask and their bias. Anyway, it doesn't matter what you or I think about Noah's behavior. We would probably come to the same conclusion, you and I, if we were sitting on a jury together presented with facts. Neither of us want sexual assault to go unpunished. The point of my initial comment is that I don't think society benefits from extrajudicial groups and I do not consider firing someone, even if the mob was right, appropriate justice. If Noah is guilty of sexual harassment, that's a serious crime and he should be treated as a criminal. As a society we have mechanisms in place to handle these situations. A twitter shitfest is not the appropriate mechanism.