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Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results; kind of like what's going on here with Brave's new search.

lawl 5y ago
Not true. In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc. So imo, "many sources, bing is just one" is misleading, as the main SERPs are pretty much straight up bing. (Note: I've used ddg as my main search engine for years)
- Nicksil 5y ago
  >Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.
  - lawl 5y ago
    They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey [2] https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey [3] https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey [5] https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey [6] https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey
    - Nicksil 5y ago
      >They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?
      - lawl 5y ago
        > You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here? No, I didn't, and in my first post I also said they aren't from bing: > What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc I also said that I've used ddg for years. Presumably that had a reason? I said the main results are pretty much straight bing, and have now backed it up, about as well as you can reasonably expect me to. That's all there's to it. Please don't interpret more into what I wrote, than what I actually wrote.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        I stated >Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results You stated >Not true. I then backed-up my statement with a source. You still haven't made clear what part of my statement was not true.
        iudqnolq 5y ago
        Obviously they're saying (correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. And by search results they clearly mean the list of links wherein you click on a link and go to a webpage that matches your query.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        >Obviously they're saying(correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. This makes no sense. What I said is still there. I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns.
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corobo 5y ago
Do side by side comparisons. I haven't seen any of my searches (admittedly only the few I checked for this) differ from Bing's results in results or result positioning It's unfortunate really as the owner guy keeps saying they use multiple sources but in all of my tests.. they're all Bing. I don't care about using Bing, I do care about being deceived (slippery slope, thin end of the wedge, etc etc)
- bilkow 5y ago
  Interesting, in my tests (posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598329), the results differ a lot. Maybe its more about localization, I'm curious to see the same example from someone in the US, but there are two links which do not seem to be in Bing's results at all, making me believe it has been taken from somewhere else.
  - mda 5y ago
    Do a few more tests, especially complex queries, you will see a pattern emerges. In my tests, It is definitely using the Bing index (not necessarily same ranking / filtering algorithms or the same version of the index)
  - corobo 5y ago
    It could very well be location. I'm in the UK for reference

lawl 5y ago

Not true. In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc. So imo, "many sources, bing is just one" is misleading, as the main SERPs are pretty much straight up bing. (Note: I've used ddg as my main search engine for years)

Nicksil 5y ago
>Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.
- lawl 5y ago
  They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia https://duck.co/ia [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monkey [2] https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey https://www.bing.com/search?q=monkey [3] https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey https://www.qwant.com/?q=monkey [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey https://www.google.com/search?q=monkey [5] https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey https://search.brave.com/search?q=monkey [6] https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=monkey
  - Nicksil 5y ago
    >They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?
    - lawl 5y ago
      > You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here? No, I didn't, and in my first post I also said they aren't from bing: > What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc I also said that I've used ddg for years. Presumably that had a reason? I said the main results are pretty much straight bing, and have now backed it up, about as well as you can reasonably expect me to. That's all there's to it. Please don't interpret more into what I wrote, than what I actually wrote.
      - Nicksil 5y ago
        I stated >Bing is one of many sources from which duckduckgo derives its results You stated >Not true. I then backed-up my statement with a source. You still haven't made clear what part of my statement was not true.
        iudqnolq 5y ago
        Obviously they're saying (correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. And by search results they clearly mean the list of links wherein you click on a link and go to a webpage that matches your query.
        Nicksil 5y ago
        >Obviously they're saying(correctly) that the part that isn't true is the part where you said the search results aren't directly from bing. This makes no sense. What I said is still there. I said that Bing is one source used to derive the results DDG returns.
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corobo 5y ago

Do side by side comparisons. I haven't seen any of my searches (admittedly only the few I checked for this) differ from Bing's results in results or result positioning It's unfortunate really as the owner guy keeps saying they use multiple sources but in all of my tests.. they're all Bing. I don't care about using Bing, I do care about being deceived (slippery slope, thin end of the wedge, etc etc)

bilkow 5y ago
Interesting, in my tests (posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598329), the results differ a lot. Maybe its more about localization, I'm curious to see the same example from someone in the US, but there are two links which do not seem to be in Bing's results at all, making me believe it has been taken from somewhere else.
- mda 5y ago
  Do a few more tests, especially complex queries, you will see a pattern emerges. In my tests, It is definitely using the Bing index (not necessarily same ranking / filtering algorithms or the same version of the index)
- corobo 5y ago
  It could very well be location. I'm in the UK for reference