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I thought you were arguing how HK’s NSL is similar to US’s FARA, in the case of Apple Daily’s closure. [0] 11 hours ago you argued in another thread [1] as if

I thought you were arguing how HK’s NSL is similar to US’s FARA, in the case of Apple Daily’s closure. [0] 11 hours ago you argued in another thread [1] as if you knew a lot about Apple Daily and HK law. But apparently not so anymore. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27587603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27587603 > Turn it around, if a newspaper in the US was asked to explain ties to Xi Jinping or Putin before a court would that be of note? […] You can argue that it's a bad thing, but this isn't something unieq to HK. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27588235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27588235 > If Apple Daily and Jimmy Lai had no contact at all with foreign agents, it would have applied unambiguously.

sudosysgen 5y ago
I was commenting about the Sino British Joint declaration, which is a treaty in English that I have read, not the NSL that I cannot interpret faithfully. Please carefully read the context in [1] I argued that courts caring about foreign affiliations of media is not unique to Hong Kong. And indeed it isn't, it happened in the US just a few months ago and apparently no one cared. If you're not disputing that FARA gives the US government the ability to oust or imprison foreign news organizations at the total discretion of the executive, I don't understand our disagreement.
- hkmaxpro 5y ago
  Nobody cared because everybody knew news/media organizations won’t dissolve easily by the FARA, contrary to your claim (“they could completely financially deprive the organization”). Because of the first amendment (that you completely missed). CGTN and RT are alive and kicking in the US, despite the FARA. Did they dissolve like the Apple Daily? Didn’t Tiktok survive Trump’s ban a year ago? (That’s an executive order, not FARA, but that doesn’t matter when we are talking about executive power and the legal system.) Numerous argued against it on the grounds of free speech. [1][2] “oust or imprison foreign news organizations at the total discretion of the executive”? Are you sure? [1] https://www.eff.org/zh-hant/deeplinks/2020/09/trumps-ban-tiktok-violates-first-amendment-eliminating-unique-platform-political https://www.eff.org/zh-hant/deeplinks/2020/09/trumps-ban-tik... [2] https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/trump-bans-tiktok-wechat-app-first-amendment-1234774871/ https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/trump-bans-tiktok-wech...

sudosysgen 5y ago

I was commenting about the Sino British Joint declaration, which is a treaty in English that I have read, not the NSL that I cannot interpret faithfully. Please carefully read the context in [1] I argued that courts caring about foreign affiliations of media is not unique to Hong Kong. And indeed it isn't, it happened in the US just a few months ago and apparently no one cared. If you're not disputing that FARA gives the US government the ability to oust or imprison foreign news organizations at the total discretion of the executive, I don't understand our disagreement.

hkmaxpro 5y ago
Nobody cared because everybody knew news/media organizations won’t dissolve easily by the FARA, contrary to your claim (“they could completely financially deprive the organization”). Because of the first amendment (that you completely missed). CGTN and RT are alive and kicking in the US, despite the FARA. Did they dissolve like the Apple Daily? Didn’t Tiktok survive Trump’s ban a year ago? (That’s an executive order, not FARA, but that doesn’t matter when we are talking about executive power and the legal system.) Numerous argued against it on the grounds of free speech. [1][2] “oust or imprison foreign news organizations at the total discretion of the executive”? Are you sure? [1] https://www.eff.org/zh-hant/deeplinks/2020/09/trumps-ban-tiktok-violates-first-amendment-eliminating-unique-platform-political https://www.eff.org/zh-hant/deeplinks/2020/09/trumps-ban-tik... [2] https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/trump-bans-tiktok-wechat-app-first-amendment-1234774871/ https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/trump-bans-tiktok-wech...