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How have they gotten there search results?

55555 5y ago
"Even supposedly “neutral” or “private” search engines rely on big tech for results. Brave is different. We deliver results based on our own built-from-scratch index. We’re beholden to no one."
- kypro 5y ago
  Why is this? I get that it's not easy to build a good search engine, but on the surface it doesn't seem to be that hard a technical problem to solve either. Is it simply that the R&D required to build something competitive is too high for most companies?
  - Santosh83 5y ago
    I guess you can get 90% of the way, but the remaining 10% becomes really hard unless you're Google scale. But even several 90% alternatives would be better than absolute monopoly.
  - Yoric 5y ago
    Do not forget that Brave (the browser) was designed/marketed as part of the US Culture Wars, basically as a Firefox-but-for-Conservatives. Brave (the search engine) apparently follows the same strategy. The reason for having this index is basically political. Brave doesn't want to be impacted by Google or Bing's editorial choices. Of course, Brave Search will certainly be doing its own editorial choices.
    - jonathansampson 5y ago
      Brave is just a browser. It exists to empower the user, regardless of their personal politics. On "editorial choices," we've proposed Goggles, which you can read more about at https://brave.com/goggles https://brave.com/goggles.
  - ramesh1994 5y ago
    I think it is definitely a hard problem to solve on a large scale to address latency, quality and size of the index they plan to address. It definitely isn't as easy as spinning up an elastic search cluster. I agree that getting something "mostly" good or a domain specific search engine isn't as hard with the newest advances in this space with vector similarity indices.
  - twobitshifter 5y ago
    There are tons of hurdles. For example, many major websites will block you if you are not a crawler owned by a few companies. They have to be in Google’s index to survive, but that doesn’t mean they allow everyone else to copy their content.
Dah00n 5y ago
While they don't seem to want to mention the name this is Cliqz.com mixed with Bing.com

"Even supposedly “neutral” or “private” search engines rely on big tech for results. Brave is different. We deliver results based on our own built-from-scratch index. We’re beholden to no one."

kypro 5y ago
Why is this? I get that it's not easy to build a good search engine, but on the surface it doesn't seem to be that hard a technical problem to solve either. Is it simply that the R&D required to build something competitive is too high for most companies?
- Santosh83 5y ago
  I guess you can get 90% of the way, but the remaining 10% becomes really hard unless you're Google scale. But even several 90% alternatives would be better than absolute monopoly.
- Yoric 5y ago
  Do not forget that Brave (the browser) was designed/marketed as part of the US Culture Wars, basically as a Firefox-but-for-Conservatives. Brave (the search engine) apparently follows the same strategy. The reason for having this index is basically political. Brave doesn't want to be impacted by Google or Bing's editorial choices. Of course, Brave Search will certainly be doing its own editorial choices.
  - jonathansampson 5y ago
    Brave is just a browser. It exists to empower the user, regardless of their personal politics. On "editorial choices," we've proposed Goggles, which you can read more about at https://brave.com/goggles https://brave.com/goggles.
- ramesh1994 5y ago
  I think it is definitely a hard problem to solve on a large scale to address latency, quality and size of the index they plan to address. It definitely isn't as easy as spinning up an elastic search cluster. I agree that getting something "mostly" good or a domain specific search engine isn't as hard with the newest advances in this space with vector similarity indices.
- twobitshifter 5y ago
  There are tons of hurdles. For example, many major websites will block you if you are not a crawler owned by a few companies. They have to be in Google’s index to survive, but that doesn’t mean they allow everyone else to copy their content.

Dah00n 5y ago

While they don't seem to want to mention the name this is Cliqz.com mixed with Bing.com