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> You also have to blame companies/hr for being so reactive Have you read his original published written apology [1]? I can't think of a company that would wan

by rkk3 5y ago

> You also have to blame companies/hr for being so reactive Have you read his original published written apology [1]? I can't think of a company that would want to keep someone who in their own words was a "Shitty, Creepy, Sexual Predator" at recent work & industry events. [1] https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admits-to-being-a-sexual-predator-at-art-industry-events/ https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...

dcow 5y ago
Maybe he is too charitable in his assessment, but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true (entirely mob escalated nonsense) and from what I can gather largely the reason he was "canceled". I suspect the shitty creepy sexual predator label is simply the author internalizing the mobs reaction. There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances.
- rkk3 5y ago
  > but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his company ignore that he publicly apologized for doing sexually inappropriate things at work events? [1] https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement-regarding-noah-bradley-2020-06-22 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement... "Noah Bradley, engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with members of the Magic and artist community."
  - dcow 5y ago
    …because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      > Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.
      - dcow 5y ago
        It doesn't work that way. Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct of their employees unless we're talking about specifically being on the job/clock when the misconduct occurred. Given Noah contracted, the company isn't liable in the first place and even if he were an employee, I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) is relevant to the job description.
        rkk3 5y ago
        > Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct It's not alleged, he published a written apology. > I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events. Yes companies do not want their employees to be sexually inappropriate with other employees, vendors and community members at their conference's and workshops.
        dcow 5y ago
        > It's not alleged, he published a written apology. The point is it's not legally problematic. He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. There's nuance here. > These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like.
        5y ago
- rkk3 5y ago
  >There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances. Yes, but not sure why that matters. The guy has a 6-pack does that change anything for you? https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/photo/1 https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/p...
  - dcow 5y ago
    That was not my point. Furthermore attractiveness is subjective. Point is if that dude hit on you and you wanted that outcome, then it’s not problematic. If he hit on you and you didn't want it, then, these days, that’s all it takes for it to be problematic at least in the opinion of a few twitter users. This mode of operation is not realistic if you acknowledge humans get attracted to each other. If we approach society by making trying to hook up with someone a social crime, what does society look like?
    - rkk3 5y ago
      The author acknowledged that he was an asshole and did things that were inappropriate, thats why he apologized... You are creating a straw-man not reflective of this scenario.
      - dcow 5y ago
        The whole problem is that Twitter crusaders created a false reality in the first place. It's not super productive to speculate on the details--we don't know them. What we do know is that no legal action was taken. Given the outburst, one would imagine there would be a lawyer willing to help the alleged victims press charges had any real problems existed.
        rkk3 5y ago
        > What we do know is that no legal action was taken. Given the outburst, one would imagine there would be a lawyer willing to help the alleged victims press charges had any real problems existed. By his own written published apology he acted inappropriately. Real problems existed thats why he apologized. That no one sued him for tort is irrelevant.

by rkk3 5y ago

dcow 5y ago

Maybe he is too charitable in his assessment, but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true (entirely mob escalated nonsense) and from what I can gather largely the reason he was "canceled". I suspect the shitty creepy sexual predator label is simply the author internalizing the mobs reaction. There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances.

rkk3 5y ago
> but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his company ignore that he publicly apologized for doing sexually inappropriate things at work events? [1] https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement-regarding-noah-bradley-2020-06-22 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement... "Noah Bradley, engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with members of the Magic and artist community."
- dcow 5y ago
  …because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.
    - dcow 5y ago
      It doesn't work that way. Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct of their employees unless we're talking about specifically being on the job/clock when the misconduct occurred. Given Noah contracted, the company isn't liable in the first place and even if he were an employee, I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) is relevant to the job description.
      - rkk3 5y ago
        > Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct It's not alleged, he published a written apology. > I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events. Yes companies do not want their employees to be sexually inappropriate with other employees, vendors and community members at their conference's and workshops.
        dcow 5y ago
        > It's not alleged, he published a written apology. The point is it's not legally problematic. He apologized because some people said he was being inappropriate. We have no evidence that there was actually sexual harassment by any legal definition of the term. There's nuance here. > These weren't random private parties, these were work & industry events Do you have a citation on that last part? I can't find any info indicating they were work sponsored events with vendors and the like.
        5y ago
rkk3 5y ago
>There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances. Yes, but not sure why that matters. The guy has a 6-pack does that change anything for you? https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/photo/1 https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/p...
- dcow 5y ago
  That was not my point. Furthermore attractiveness is subjective. Point is if that dude hit on you and you wanted that outcome, then it’s not problematic. If he hit on you and you didn't want it, then, these days, that’s all it takes for it to be problematic at least in the opinion of a few twitter users. This mode of operation is not realistic if you acknowledge humans get attracted to each other. If we approach society by making trying to hook up with someone a social crime, what does society look like?
  - rkk3 5y ago
    The author acknowledged that he was an asshole and did things that were inappropriate, thats why he apologized... You are creating a straw-man not reflective of this scenario.
    - dcow 5y ago
      The whole problem is that Twitter crusaders created a false reality in the first place. It's not super productive to speculate on the details--we don't know them. What we do know is that no legal action was taken. Given the outburst, one would imagine there would be a lawyer willing to help the alleged victims press charges had any real problems existed.
      - rkk3 5y ago
        > What we do know is that no legal action was taken. Given the outburst, one would imagine there would be a lawyer willing to help the alleged victims press charges had any real problems existed. By his own written published apology he acted inappropriately. Real problems existed thats why he apologized. That no one sued him for tort is irrelevant.