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Five year olds 'having panic attacks over socializing with their friends'

22 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

anoncake 5y ago
Honest question to those who have supported lockdowns: Are you surprised? Edit: Apparently not.
- twiddling 5y ago
  and the point you're making?
  - anoncake 5y ago
    I have asked a question.
- jrmg 5y ago
  No, but still think even more widespread deaths would’ve been worse.
- defterGoose 5y ago
  You're right, maybe the 1% of kids this is affecting would be better off with one fewer parents instead. /s
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    Are lots of 65+ year olds (the vast majority of people at risk of death from Covid) having kids these days?
    - defterGoose 5y ago
      There are quite a few deaths in younger groups with comorbidities too.
      - AndrewBissell 5y ago
        "quite a few" How does in the incidence in non-lockdown states and countries compare to, say, car accidents?
      - anoncake 5y ago
        Even including them, the death rate among younger people remains insignificant.
  - anoncake 5y ago
    "[A]n extra 1.5 million children" is a lot more than 1%.
prepend 5y ago
What’s the average screen time of these five year olds? Intuitively, this seems like a simple result of over screening because kids don’t behave like devices. Every time I go to a family restaurant, I see a tiny kid (frequently too young to even speak) sitting with a phone or iPad watching and maybe swiping away. And usually I experience a tantrum when that kid has to break away from their screen to do something in the real world. If young kids spend more time with youtube than friends, that’s going to result in lots of stuff. Fun fact, if you ever bring up how screens are bad for little kids you will fight with parents.
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  Your intuition doesn't really mean much, and it's super easy to finger wag at parents who don't raise their kids the way you think they should. Even easier if you don't have kids of your own. Judging parents is much easier than actually raising children. Our 4 year old (now 5) was depressed and anxious for months during lockdowns. Why wouldn't she be? People aren't meant to be cooped up together all day like that, and she needed space from us as much as we did from her. Space we couldn't really give her in our tiny home. By the time she went back to school she'd been home, away from almost all other kids except her baby sister, for like 8 months. That's basically forever in 4-year-old time. As to screentime, you don't know anything about those other "parents". If I let my daughter play educational games for 20 minutes so my wife and I can actually have a conversation over dinner, what's the problem with that?
  - Mediterraneo10 5y ago
    > Judging parents is much easier than actually raising children. I have seen this line used often. However, from an anti-natalist perspective, actually raising children is a mistake. Therefore, no one should actually expected to actually raise children, and simply judging those who do without that firsthand experience is perfectly reasonable.
    - rhn_mk1 5y ago
      I'm not sure why you think the thread stemmed from an anti-natalist perspective. Even then, raising children is not what anti-natalism condemns. It's bringing children to life. It's not reasonable to condemn a care giver who didn't beget the child (and it's usually impossible to know whether they did).
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txsoftwaredev 5y ago
I'm so thankful to be in Texas and to have made the choice years ago to home school our kids. Though it has still been tough, being in a better position to make our own choices has made the past year easier. Our kids have mostly been able to continue doing their normal routine with schooling and seeing friends. I feel terrible for the kids that have been forced to leave their normal day to day routines and friends.
anm89 5y ago
Five year olds don't have panic attacks. They have tantrums.
- anoncake 5y ago
  Source for the claim five year olds cannot have panic attacks?
- mikewarot 5y ago
  Panic can happen to anyone, if you can't tell the difference between panic and a tantrum, you shouldn't be in a parental role.
ArkanExplorer 5y ago
We're going to spend the next years, or decade, dealing with the fallout of these lockdowns. It seems like politicians in some countries are keeping the charade going, just because they don't want to start dealing with the post-COVID era. The data is very clear that countries which didn't lockdown had very modest increases in deaths (eg. Sweden and Ukraine, +6% deaths YoY) and are now able to recover and resume normality much faster. Whereas countries which did lockdown, faced much higher per-capita COVID deaths anyway, and now have all of these social problems to untangle: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... If a family kept their child inside and out of school for a year, they would be arrested. Instead, we have willingly forced this on every child. We (in lockdown countries, who didn't protest or agitate against this tyranny) should be ashamed of ourselves.
- mikewarot 5y ago
  Let's keep in mind what we avoided with these "lockdowns". In Los Angeles at one point the entire medical system was overwhelmed, people had loved ones dead in their homes, and were told to put them on ice, because there was zero capacity to come and pick up the dead. Ambulances with patients dying had ZERO places to take them. Here's the story from someone who was there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE
mikewarot 5y ago
When I was a kid, we were told to go outside and not come back until the street lights turned on. We didn't have computers, internet, or more than 5 TV channels on our 1 family TV. Now the media has scared everyone into keeping their kids inside 24x7... then the plague made it even worse. How can you not expect kids to end up with all that free time being burned up in screens? Parents don't suddenly have more free time, and energy, to deal with kids than they did in the 1970s. Many of the children in the 1st world haven't been in the same room with other children in a year. Of course it is going to be difficult transitioning to our new normal.
- uvnq 5y ago
  I feel like kids learn a lot about how to socialize from other people. How much worse off will they be learning from screens and people acting (pretending to socialize) instead? Additionally, they won't have the ability to practice socializing either.

22 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

anoncake 5y ago

Honest question to those who have supported lockdowns: Are you surprised? Edit: Apparently not.

twiddling 5y ago
and the point you're making?
- anoncake 5y ago
  I have asked a question.
jrmg 5y ago
No, but still think even more widespread deaths would’ve been worse.
defterGoose 5y ago
You're right, maybe the 1% of kids this is affecting would be better off with one fewer parents instead. /s
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  Are lots of 65+ year olds (the vast majority of people at risk of death from Covid) having kids these days?
  - defterGoose 5y ago
    There are quite a few deaths in younger groups with comorbidities too.
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      "quite a few" How does in the incidence in non-lockdown states and countries compare to, say, car accidents?
    - anoncake 5y ago
      Even including them, the death rate among younger people remains insignificant.
- anoncake 5y ago
  "[A]n extra 1.5 million children" is a lot more than 1%.

prepend 5y ago

What’s the average screen time of these five year olds? Intuitively, this seems like a simple result of over screening because kids don’t behave like devices. Every time I go to a family restaurant, I see a tiny kid (frequently too young to even speak) sitting with a phone or iPad watching and maybe swiping away. And usually I experience a tantrum when that kid has to break away from their screen to do something in the real world. If young kids spend more time with youtube than friends, that’s going to result in lots of stuff. Fun fact, if you ever bring up how screens are bad for little kids you will fight with parents.

schwartzworld 5y ago
Your intuition doesn't really mean much, and it's super easy to finger wag at parents who don't raise their kids the way you think they should. Even easier if you don't have kids of your own. Judging parents is much easier than actually raising children. Our 4 year old (now 5) was depressed and anxious for months during lockdowns. Why wouldn't she be? People aren't meant to be cooped up together all day like that, and she needed space from us as much as we did from her. Space we couldn't really give her in our tiny home. By the time she went back to school she'd been home, away from almost all other kids except her baby sister, for like 8 months. That's basically forever in 4-year-old time. As to screentime, you don't know anything about those other "parents". If I let my daughter play educational games for 20 minutes so my wife and I can actually have a conversation over dinner, what's the problem with that?
- Mediterraneo10 5y ago
  > Judging parents is much easier than actually raising children. I have seen this line used often. However, from an anti-natalist perspective, actually raising children is a mistake. Therefore, no one should actually expected to actually raise children, and simply judging those who do without that firsthand experience is perfectly reasonable.
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    I'm not sure why you think the thread stemmed from an anti-natalist perspective. Even then, raising children is not what anti-natalism condemns. It's bringing children to life. It's not reasonable to condemn a care giver who didn't beget the child (and it's usually impossible to know whether they did).

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txsoftwaredev 5y ago

I'm so thankful to be in Texas and to have made the choice years ago to home school our kids. Though it has still been tough, being in a better position to make our own choices has made the past year easier. Our kids have mostly been able to continue doing their normal routine with schooling and seeing friends. I feel terrible for the kids that have been forced to leave their normal day to day routines and friends.

anm89 5y ago

Five year olds don't have panic attacks. They have tantrums.

anoncake 5y ago
Source for the claim five year olds cannot have panic attacks?
mikewarot 5y ago
Panic can happen to anyone, if you can't tell the difference between panic and a tantrum, you shouldn't be in a parental role.

ArkanExplorer 5y ago

We're going to spend the next years, or decade, dealing with the fallout of these lockdowns. It seems like politicians in some countries are keeping the charade going, just because they don't want to start dealing with the post-COVID era. The data is very clear that countries which didn't lockdown had very modest increases in deaths (eg. Sweden and Ukraine, +6% deaths YoY) and are now able to recover and resume normality much faster. Whereas countries which did lockdown, faced much higher per-capita COVID deaths anyway, and now have all of these social problems to untangle: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... If a family kept their child inside and out of school for a year, they would be arrested. Instead, we have willingly forced this on every child. We (in lockdown countries, who didn't protest or agitate against this tyranny) should be ashamed of ourselves.

mikewarot 5y ago
Let's keep in mind what we avoided with these "lockdowns". In Los Angeles at one point the entire medical system was overwhelmed, people had loved ones dead in their homes, and were told to put them on ice, because there was zero capacity to come and pick up the dead. Ambulances with patients dying had ZERO places to take them. Here's the story from someone who was there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE

mikewarot 5y ago

When I was a kid, we were told to go outside and not come back until the street lights turned on. We didn't have computers, internet, or more than 5 TV channels on our 1 family TV. Now the media has scared everyone into keeping their kids inside 24x7... then the plague made it even worse. How can you not expect kids to end up with all that free time being burned up in screens? Parents don't suddenly have more free time, and energy, to deal with kids than they did in the 1970s. Many of the children in the 1st world haven't been in the same room with other children in a year. Of course it is going to be difficult transitioning to our new normal.

uvnq 5y ago
I feel like kids learn a lot about how to socialize from other people. How much worse off will they be learning from screens and people acting (pretending to socialize) instead? Additionally, they won't have the ability to practice socializing either.