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We need this passport so that we maximize the potential of vaccines and minimize that of virus mutations. I say this selfishly: I want to travel and when the ri

by Twixes 5y ago

We need this passport so that we maximize the potential of vaccines and minimize that of virus mutations. I say this selfishly: I want to travel and when the risk that visitors will bringing a supertransmissible virus deadly to the population is high (and 0.5% is a shitton of people), we'll again have lockdowns and we'll be sitting at home. I don't want any of that. That's why I got vaccinated and I'm happy to have a way of proving that it's very unlikely for me to bring crap that will kill people down the line

reedjosh 5y ago
> we'll again have lockdowns Enforced by an out of control government. This is such a funny argument. In my ears it rings as "We need to comply with our abusers so they'll stop abusing us."
- Twixes 5y ago
  In what world is stopping a deadly disease that also paralyzes healthcare for everyone abuse? The virus is abusing us, that's for sure. Unfortunately it doesn't quite adhere to law, otherwise tens of thousands of people more would still be alive in my country. The only way to stand up to a force of nature like that is to stick to some common sense rules as a society, like "let's avoid crowds" or "let's all get vaccines".
  - reedjosh 5y ago
    > a deadly disease that also paralyzes healthcare VS. a tyrannical government that is ever encroaching on our freedoms using scare tactics. It used to be terrorism. I suppose we're both kinda motivated by fear here, I'm just way more afraid of losing my freedoms than I am COVID. The same messaging system that brought us the `terror meter` and pegged it to red https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/terror_alert.png https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/terr... is providing similar hyperbolic messaging about COVID.
    - Twixes 5y ago
      Terrorism very broadly kills a couple hundred people a year in the developed world, and has been around that for a long time. Obviously it's a bogus excuse most of the time. Meanwhile, this particular virus has correspondingly killed ~10 000 times more people. That is not hyperbole. That's not even comparable to terrorism, much more like a war instead.
      - reedjosh 5y ago
        How many people died of the flu this year?
        CRConrad 5y ago
        Perhaps somewhat paradoxically, much fewer than usual. Partly because some that might have, in stead died from Covid-19, and partly because the countermeasures against SARS-CoV are also very effective against a lot of other diseases like the flu. Why; does that have anything to do with anything? Naah, thought not.

by Twixes 5y ago

reedjosh 5y ago

> we'll again have lockdowns Enforced by an out of control government. This is such a funny argument. In my ears it rings as "We need to comply with our abusers so they'll stop abusing us."

Twixes 5y ago
In what world is stopping a deadly disease that also paralyzes healthcare for everyone abuse? The virus is abusing us, that's for sure. Unfortunately it doesn't quite adhere to law, otherwise tens of thousands of people more would still be alive in my country. The only way to stand up to a force of nature like that is to stick to some common sense rules as a society, like "let's avoid crowds" or "let's all get vaccines".
- reedjosh 5y ago
  > a deadly disease that also paralyzes healthcare VS. a tyrannical government that is ever encroaching on our freedoms using scare tactics. It used to be terrorism. I suppose we're both kinda motivated by fear here, I'm just way more afraid of losing my freedoms than I am COVID. The same messaging system that brought us the `terror meter` and pegged it to red https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/terror_alert.png https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/terr... is providing similar hyperbolic messaging about COVID.
  - Twixes 5y ago
    Terrorism very broadly kills a couple hundred people a year in the developed world, and has been around that for a long time. Obviously it's a bogus excuse most of the time. Meanwhile, this particular virus has correspondingly killed ~10 000 times more people. That is not hyperbole. That's not even comparable to terrorism, much more like a war instead.
    - reedjosh 5y ago
      How many people died of the flu this year?
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Perhaps somewhat paradoxically, much fewer than usual. Partly because some that might have, in stead died from Covid-19, and partly because the countermeasures against SARS-CoV are also very effective against a lot of other diseases like the flu. Why; does that have anything to do with anything? Naah, thought not.