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Check your timeline. The US wasn’t even in the war then. Though American help was instrumental later in the war, the UK actually saved itself from invasion (wit

by mthoms 5y ago

Check your timeline. The US wasn’t even in the war then. Though American help was instrumental later in the war, the UK actually saved itself from invasion (with help from fellow Commonwealth nations). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

reducesuffering 5y ago
My point was not about US involvement in a specific battle but that of Nazi Germany's clear intent to invade the UK, likely only eventually abated by US involvement. Like you said, the UK saved itself (for now), but "American help was instrumental later."
- mthoms 5y ago
  After the Battle of Britain ended, and Operation Barbarossa started, it was impossible for Germany to invade the UK. That was 6 months before the US entered the war. I get the point you're making, but American military involvement had almost nothing to do with the UK repelling German invasion specifically.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    Not specifically. Imagine the war without US involvement. No more Western and Eastern front. Germany still wouldn't have captured Moscow but they would have secured large swaths of eastern territory and thus economic might. They would've had stable control over most of Europe and been further bolstered economically and militarily to eventually take the UK.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      >No more Western and Eastern front. Germany still wouldn't have captured Moscow but they would have secured large swaths of eastern territory I don't understand, in your made-up hypothetical, is there an Eastern Front or not? Or, are you mis-using "Eastern Front" to refer to the war with Japan perhaps? As soon as Germany lost the Battle of Britain and then failed to immediately take Russia, their fate was sealed. The war was lost, period. The next question was - would Russia overrun all of Europe (including Western Europe)? Without US involvement, that may have actually happened. Thankfully, it did not.

by mthoms 5y ago

reducesuffering 5y ago

My point was not about US involvement in a specific battle but that of Nazi Germany's clear intent to invade the UK, likely only eventually abated by US involvement. Like you said, the UK saved itself (for now), but "American help was instrumental later."

mthoms 5y ago
After the Battle of Britain ended, and Operation Barbarossa started, it was impossible for Germany to invade the UK. That was 6 months before the US entered the war. I get the point you're making, but American military involvement had almost nothing to do with the UK repelling German invasion specifically.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  Not specifically. Imagine the war without US involvement. No more Western and Eastern front. Germany still wouldn't have captured Moscow but they would have secured large swaths of eastern territory and thus economic might. They would've had stable control over most of Europe and been further bolstered economically and militarily to eventually take the UK.
  - mthoms 5y ago
    >No more Western and Eastern front. Germany still wouldn't have captured Moscow but they would have secured large swaths of eastern territory I don't understand, in your made-up hypothetical, is there an Eastern Front or not? Or, are you mis-using "Eastern Front" to refer to the war with Japan perhaps? As soon as Germany lost the Battle of Britain and then failed to immediately take Russia, their fate was sealed. The war was lost, period. The next question was - would Russia overrun all of Europe (including Western Europe)? Without US involvement, that may have actually happened. Thankfully, it did not.