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> My problem with the entire system is that this code is basically a free pass for all the old people we've stayed inside for a year for to go on holiday, while

by akie 5y ago

> My problem with the entire system is that this code is basically a free pass for all the old people we've stayed inside for a year for to go on holiday, while everyone else gets to go through all the same hoops they've been going through for months. Would you have preferred to be one of the people whose lives were in danger because of this disease? There's a good reason they got the first vaccinations.

jeroenhd 5y ago
I'm not opposed to vaccinating the weak and elderly first, but the choice to also give them their freedoms back first leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'd like for everyone to be healthy, but also for everyone to be subject to the same restrictions. The youth sacrificed a year of their lives for the elderly, and in exchange they'll have their freedoms restricted for longer while the elderly they've sacrificed their time for get a free pass to holidays and concerts.
- distances 5y ago
  You get the same freedoms with free covid tests, right? Except when traveling abroad and having to pay for the same test. This is only about convenience as far as I see, greatly helping the tourism industry. What would be your ideal solution, requiring the same tests from everyone?
  - mhitza 5y ago
    I don't know where you live but in most countries PCR tests aren't free. There are some EU countries that will have you take one if you didn't bring your result along (and it will be free of charge), but then you might need to spend a day or more in self isolation till the test result is reported back.
    - distances 5y ago
      Yes, cross-border traveling is definitely harder and more expensive without vaccinations. Easier domestically. I'm just not convinced that we should require the same tests even after vaccinations even if it now leads to uneven amount of hassle.
- akie 5y ago
  What you want is not possible. They were at a much higher risk of dying, so they got the vaccine first. Because they got the vaccine first, they get to live "normal" lives again before you do. Yes, that's unfair. It would have also been unfair to give the vaccine to young people first. Such is life. Whichever choice you make here, it is unfair. There is no "happy path". Or actually, we (here in the West) ARE on the happy path. Just have a look at what is happening in Brazil or India to see why we are the fortunate ones. We need to stick with it for a bit longer, and Corona will mostly be a thing of the past here. Many people all over the world would love to swap places with us. Also extremely unfair. Unfortunately.
- claviola 5y ago
  Why are you talking about fairness in a context like this? Is there any actual health benefit from fully vaccinated people waiting until everyone else is vaccinated? Also, you probably also incur less healthcare costs than they do, but you still contribute to the public healthcare system. Is this also an issue for you? Remember that the elderly also have more actual urgency, as they are much more likely to have less time to live than you.

by akie 5y ago

jeroenhd 5y ago

I'm not opposed to vaccinating the weak and elderly first, but the choice to also give them their freedoms back first leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'd like for everyone to be healthy, but also for everyone to be subject to the same restrictions. The youth sacrificed a year of their lives for the elderly, and in exchange they'll have their freedoms restricted for longer while the elderly they've sacrificed their time for get a free pass to holidays and concerts.

distances 5y ago
You get the same freedoms with free covid tests, right? Except when traveling abroad and having to pay for the same test. This is only about convenience as far as I see, greatly helping the tourism industry. What would be your ideal solution, requiring the same tests from everyone?
- mhitza 5y ago
  I don't know where you live but in most countries PCR tests aren't free. There are some EU countries that will have you take one if you didn't bring your result along (and it will be free of charge), but then you might need to spend a day or more in self isolation till the test result is reported back.
  - distances 5y ago
    Yes, cross-border traveling is definitely harder and more expensive without vaccinations. Easier domestically. I'm just not convinced that we should require the same tests even after vaccinations even if it now leads to uneven amount of hassle.
akie 5y ago
What you want is not possible. They were at a much higher risk of dying, so they got the vaccine first. Because they got the vaccine first, they get to live "normal" lives again before you do. Yes, that's unfair. It would have also been unfair to give the vaccine to young people first. Such is life. Whichever choice you make here, it is unfair. There is no "happy path". Or actually, we (here in the West) ARE on the happy path. Just have a look at what is happening in Brazil or India to see why we are the fortunate ones. We need to stick with it for a bit longer, and Corona will mostly be a thing of the past here. Many people all over the world would love to swap places with us. Also extremely unfair. Unfortunately.
claviola 5y ago
Why are you talking about fairness in a context like this? Is there any actual health benefit from fully vaccinated people waiting until everyone else is vaccinated? Also, you probably also incur less healthcare costs than they do, but you still contribute to the public healthcare system. Is this also an issue for you? Remember that the elderly also have more actual urgency, as they are much more likely to have less time to live than you.