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Chinese law is incredibly anticompetitive. These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws but these laws just screw them so they exit the market, then

Chinese law is incredibly anticompetitive. These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws but these laws just screw them so they exit the market, then the Chinese censors block access to their domain names as it is impossible that they are complying on the information side of things. Separate and nuanced issue, as you pointed out. But not complete.

ethanbond 5y ago
I’m absolutely not a fan of China’s behavior here (and in many other areas), but if it’s true that these companies “exit the market,” then getting blocked by the firewall doesn’t mean anything. What they mean by “exit the market” is to still actually participate in the market but not take on any of its obligations (again, despite my own disagreement with the “obligations”)
Barrin92 5y ago
>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not an issue of free-trade but of internal US politics between domestic companies and the public. The United States states isn't treated unfairly, it's just for the first time experiencing what it means to not be able to enforce American standards abroad.
- mcwhy 5y ago
  Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    I want to downrank this but even more I want to ask what exactly your thesis is here
    - ectopod 5y ago
      FWIW, I assume the GP is referring to this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-house-dinner-a6679156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...
      - jazzyjackson 5y ago
        Aha, well if Page Six says so… Thanks for the link
  - canadianfella 5y ago
    Explain
- deleted 5y ago
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- vmception 5y ago
  Again, just like doing business in the US or Europe isnt a single factor, its not a single factor in China either You finally brought up Google, we didnt. Google is the primary example of the anticompetitive nature, where the state used its mandatory backdoors to steal IP from Google and give it to Baidu. Mmm bad PR ok, possible a factor

ethanbond 5y ago

I’m absolutely not a fan of China’s behavior here (and in many other areas), but if it’s true that these companies “exit the market,” then getting blocked by the firewall doesn’t mean anything. What they mean by “exit the market” is to still actually participate in the market but not take on any of its obligations (again, despite my own disagreement with the “obligations”)

Barrin92 5y ago

>These companies are willing to comply with Chinese laws They're really not. This is why Google exited China. The reason why some American tech firms don't operate in China isn't because they can't handle regulatory compliance (they obviously can given their size and resources), they don't operate in China because complying with Chinese laws would create absolutely bad PR in the United States. Which means this is not an issue of free-trade but of internal US politics between domestic companies and the public. The United States states isn't treated unfairly, it's just for the first time experiencing what it means to not be able to enforce American standards abroad.

mcwhy 5y ago
Facebook is 100% willing, zuck even sold his kid to them trying to get in.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  I want to downrank this but even more I want to ask what exactly your thesis is here
  - ectopod 5y ago
    FWIW, I assume the GP is referring to this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-house-dinner-a6679156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      Aha, well if Page Six says so… Thanks for the link
- canadianfella 5y ago
  Explain
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vmception 5y ago
Again, just like doing business in the US or Europe isnt a single factor, its not a single factor in China either You finally brought up Google, we didnt. Google is the primary example of the anticompetitive nature, where the state used its mandatory backdoors to steal IP from Google and give it to Baidu. Mmm bad PR ok, possible a factor