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> At the same time Apple’s stuff has improved year over year. Out of all the large tech companies I’m most bearish about Google’s future - they seem aimless. De

> At the same time Apple’s stuff has improved year over year. Out of all the large tech companies I’m most bearish about Google’s future - they seem aimless. Deepmind is cool, but Google better hope that ad money machine never stops printing. As an iOS user, I feel the opposite in most areas except calling/messaging/facetime. I find Apple software to be severely limiting their own hardware. Their iPads are such excellent devices yet severely limited because of iOS. If iOS hadn't done calling/messaging/FaceTime right, I would have completely ditched them.

fossuser 5y ago
I agree there’s a lot more potential for iPad hardware UI, but also think they’ve improved year over year. It’ll be interesting to see what they work out for iPad OS to make it more powerful. They’re obviously not willing to just slap a standard PC OS on there. I’d guess they’re going to come up with new stuff from first principles as best they can for it (even if that means limiting it in the short term).
- busymom0 5y ago
  Based on how MacOS switched app icons to rounded corner similar to iPad and they added extra spacing on menu bar icons, controls (volume/display etc) are all similar to iOS ones, I won't be surprised if they put MacOS on iPad. iPad already has M1 chip too.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    They're closer to putting ipadOS on macbooks
simonh 5y ago
As against all the awesome tables OSes and applications on competing devices? I think it's just that growing tablets to be competitive with desktops is either really, really hard or just not reasonable to expect. As a form factor, for all that I love it and you'd have to tear my iPad out of my cold dead hands, it just has inherent limitations to go with it's strengths.
- rovr138 5y ago
  > As against all the awesome tables OSes and applications on competing devices? Not them, but my argument would be compared against a full desktop OS. I love the form factor and for smaller things, if I had a full blown OS, I would be able to do so much more and not carry both my laptop and my iPad.
  - simonh 5y ago
    I'm glad Apple are putting in better support for keyboards and touch pads in iPadOS. It makes sense that these can improve usability in a lot of use cases. However I don't use those and even if I did iPad apps must always be usable without them. I think that imposes significant limitations. Some of the more powerful apps I use on my iPad have quite fiddly interfaces that would be fine on a desktop, but are really awkward on the tablet. It is getting better, but very slowly as developers figure out how to adapt to the form factor. The new Multitasking interface does look like a big improvement though. Hopefully that will help developers to step up a bit.

fossuser 5y ago

I agree there’s a lot more potential for iPad hardware UI, but also think they’ve improved year over year. It’ll be interesting to see what they work out for iPad OS to make it more powerful. They’re obviously not willing to just slap a standard PC OS on there. I’d guess they’re going to come up with new stuff from first principles as best they can for it (even if that means limiting it in the short term).

busymom0 5y ago
Based on how MacOS switched app icons to rounded corner similar to iPad and they added extra spacing on menu bar icons, controls (volume/display etc) are all similar to iOS ones, I won't be surprised if they put MacOS on iPad. iPad already has M1 chip too.
- zeusk 5y ago
  They're closer to putting ipadOS on macbooks

simonh 5y ago

As against all the awesome tables OSes and applications on competing devices? I think it's just that growing tablets to be competitive with desktops is either really, really hard or just not reasonable to expect. As a form factor, for all that I love it and you'd have to tear my iPad out of my cold dead hands, it just has inherent limitations to go with it's strengths.

rovr138 5y ago
> As against all the awesome tables OSes and applications on competing devices? Not them, but my argument would be compared against a full desktop OS. I love the form factor and for smaller things, if I had a full blown OS, I would be able to do so much more and not carry both my laptop and my iPad.
- simonh 5y ago
  I'm glad Apple are putting in better support for keyboards and touch pads in iPadOS. It makes sense that these can improve usability in a lot of use cases. However I don't use those and even if I did iPad apps must always be usable without them. I think that imposes significant limitations. Some of the more powerful apps I use on my iPad have quite fiddly interfaces that would be fine on a desktop, but are really awkward on the tablet. It is getting better, but very slowly as developers figure out how to adapt to the form factor. The new Multitasking interface does look like a big improvement though. Hopefully that will help developers to step up a bit.