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Crabs in a bucket mentality. Pull down others because you didn't benefit too. How about compassion?

by Afforess 5y ago

esyir 5y ago
How about incentives. Incentivizing bad behaviour for a feel good doesn't tend to end well.
- Afforess 5y ago
  a one off jubilee does not create an expectation or incentive. the pandemic was (hopefully) a once in a lifetime event.
  - computerphage 5y ago
    So was the 2008 crash, so was the 2001 crash, so was the...
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  What bad behavior do you think is being incentivized here?
  - djbebs 5y ago
    Not paying what you owe.
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      So some significant portion of the US ended up unemployed due to pandemic restrictions in order to protect the rest of the US from infection and we had a moratorium on evictions in order to protect the rest of the US from people ending up homeless, with covid and also not bathing and the like and now they owe multiple months worth of rent in a state where rent trends very expensive, but you are just going to tell me they are "bums" who simply don't want to pay their bills? wut?
      - esyir 5y ago
        Specifically, this is more of a disincentivization of good behavior. People who scrounged to pay their rent, people who cut costs, people who moved to cheaper areas to live within their means. All of these were punished. It's analogous to the student loan situation and the push for loan forgiveness. People who paid off their loans with work, people who chose majors with a calculated payoff, those who picked cheaper schools. These are the people who get punished in favor of those who did no research, picked poor paying majors and picked subjects beyond their means. This goes double for student loans, as the entire situation there is arguably culpable for the problem in the first place.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        Somewhere I saw someone say once: "You didn't make good choices. You had good choices." It tends to be the people with the best opportunities and the most resources who snidely look down their nose and pretend other people just didn't try hard enough, work hard enough, sacrifice enough, etc. This is part of how racism and other social ills remain entrenched: Don't give folks the same opportunities, then blame them when their life sucks and attribute it to personal moral failure.
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        esyir 5y ago
        This is the way you get defect culture on a massive scale. People don't go "oh, man, I did whatever I could to make it. Good on him for his bailout". They go "Why the hell did I try, when I get punished for it?". They then remember this, and over time you have an engrained cultural problem. This "solution" that I see right now is the short-termist, feel-good solution that comes crashing down in the "not-my-problem-I-already-got-relected" future. Some might have better choices than others, but you still should be optimizing for the local "best" choice to align with the global "best" choice.
        5y ago

Crabs in a bucket mentality. Pull down others because you didn't benefit too. How about compassion?

esyir 5y ago

How about incentives. Incentivizing bad behaviour for a feel good doesn't tend to end well.

Afforess 5y ago
a one off jubilee does not create an expectation or incentive. the pandemic was (hopefully) a once in a lifetime event.
- computerphage 5y ago
  So was the 2008 crash, so was the 2001 crash, so was the...
DoreenMichele 5y ago
What bad behavior do you think is being incentivized here?
- djbebs 5y ago
  Not paying what you owe.
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    So some significant portion of the US ended up unemployed due to pandemic restrictions in order to protect the rest of the US from infection and we had a moratorium on evictions in order to protect the rest of the US from people ending up homeless, with covid and also not bathing and the like and now they owe multiple months worth of rent in a state where rent trends very expensive, but you are just going to tell me they are "bums" who simply don't want to pay their bills? wut?
    - esyir 5y ago
      Specifically, this is more of a disincentivization of good behavior. People who scrounged to pay their rent, people who cut costs, people who moved to cheaper areas to live within their means. All of these were punished. It's analogous to the student loan situation and the push for loan forgiveness. People who paid off their loans with work, people who chose majors with a calculated payoff, those who picked cheaper schools. These are the people who get punished in favor of those who did no research, picked poor paying majors and picked subjects beyond their means. This goes double for student loans, as the entire situation there is arguably culpable for the problem in the first place.
      - DoreenMichele 5y ago
        Somewhere I saw someone say once: "You didn't make good choices. You had good choices." It tends to be the people with the best opportunities and the most resources who snidely look down their nose and pretend other people just didn't try hard enough, work hard enough, sacrifice enough, etc. This is part of how racism and other social ills remain entrenched: Don't give folks the same opportunities, then blame them when their life sucks and attribute it to personal moral failure.
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        esyir 5y ago
        This is the way you get defect culture on a massive scale. People don't go "oh, man, I did whatever I could to make it. Good on him for his bailout". They go "Why the hell did I try, when I get punished for it?". They then remember this, and over time you have an engrained cultural problem. This "solution" that I see right now is the short-termist, feel-good solution that comes crashing down in the "not-my-problem-I-already-got-relected" future. Some might have better choices than others, but you still should be optimizing for the local "best" choice to align with the global "best" choice.
        5y ago