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>such as leaking national secrets or knowingly publishing false information, that would then be seen as national security infractions. Not really. News agencie

>such as leaking national secrets or knowingly publishing false information, that would then be seen as national security infractions. Not really. News agencies publish leaked classified national secrets all the time and freely publish false information without penalty. News cannot steal the information, i.e. hacking into the Pentagon would be off limits (which is why Julian Assange is wanted), but if someone else steals it, they can publish it. Publishing stuff in Wikileaks documents is not illegal. Foreign journalists freely operate in the USA. RT certainly has an anti-American agenda. It gets to criticize and claim and publish false information and yes, even report leaked national secrets.

sudosysgen 5y ago
This is not exactly true. RT does not freely operate in the US, it was forced in a court of law to register as a foreign agent. Legally the US government would have been able to arrest every single RT journalist beforehand and send them to jail for five years. So yes, in court, it was decided whether or not RT was an agent of the Russian government, which is exactly the question at had in the post I was replying to. This is not actually applied since the end of the Cold War, but legally per the Foreign Agents Registration Act if you don't register as a foreign agent despite being one, even without being notified you should, you are committing a crime can be convicted. So, for example, being in contact with Xi Jinping or his lackeys and engaging in political action without registering as a foreign is actually a crime. And yes, people were prosecuted for that. But that's beyond even the point that I was stating, as a matter of FARA a court can and does inquire about that. RT is not right now being pursued for it, but people in the US can be pursued for doing things such as lying or leaking national secrets, ie things that would normally be protected under the first amendment, if they are doing so in furtherance of the goals of a foreign government without registering officially beforehand. For a recent case, see the case of Elliot Brodly which was found guilty for engaging in lobbying for a foreign government. These laws in the US are very, very selectively enforced. The lack of prosecution of a certain entity doesn't mean anything. BBC reporters in the US are technically committing a federal offense by not registering as foreign agents, but the government will never prosecute them for that. RT, on the other hand, was forced to register, and WEB Dubois was prosecuted for even less on the same laws.
- hkmaxpro 5y ago
  Honest question: Can you point me to the law about foreign agents (that RT is subject to)? I want to read more about it. Update: I found it https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/legal-authority https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/legal-authority But FARA is for from the National Security Law in HK. No immediate seizure of all assets as in the case of HK Apple Daily. And US has a robust legal system for disputes, unlike the NSL court in HK that is tightly controlled by the CCP. You cannot discuss just the specific law without discussing the legal system as a whole.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    FARA in the US would allow for unlimited fines and a five year jail term. So yes, they could completely financially deprive the organization. The US may have a robust legal system, but in the case of FARA this is completely undermined by the executive branch. What the US gains in judicial independence, it loses in sélective enforcement. The end result is that the US government can selectively shut down foreign agents and jail them, just like the Chinese government. There's no need to compromise the judiciary when the law is there black on white, by doing what Jimmy Lai allegedly did in the US without disclosing it beforehand, you can go to jail for years. It's just that it's so selectively enforced that you could arrest a random BBC journalist for the exact same reasons.
    - hkmaxpro 5y ago
      > when the law is there black on white [citation needed] Many people still don’t know the exact reason why Apple Daily was charged a few days ago under the NSL. https://theinitium.com/article/20210618-opinion-hk-what-does-normal-journalist-means/ https://theinitium.com/article/20210618-opinion-hk-what-does... > 但「串謀」計劃到底是什麼計劃？「串謀」和「正常新聞工作」之間的界線到底是什麼？有哪些具體的文章能成為證據？是評論文章還是報導中引用的受訪者的話？證據如果還未蒐集到位為何就能實施拘捕？⋯⋯對此局方一概沒有交代，畢竟，案件還處在「調查階段」，而永遠是說不清也不能說清楚的「國家安全」超然凌駕所有程序。 https://beta.thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%9C%8B%E5%AE%89%E6%8B%98%E8%98%8B%E6%9E%9C%E9%AB%98%E5%B1%A4-%E6%B6%88%E6%81%AF-%E8%BF%91%E7%99%BE%E7%AF%87%E6%B6%89%E6%A1%88%E6%96%87%E7%AB%A0%E5%8C%85%E6%8B%AC%E5%A0%B1%E9%81%93-%E8%A9%95%E8%AB%96-%E8%AD%A6%E5%B0%87%E8%A6%81%E6%B1%82-%E8%98%8B%E6%9E%9C-%E5%88%AA%E9%99%A4 https://beta.thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%9C%8B%E5%AE%89%E6... > 保安局局長李家超及國安處高級警司李桂華會見傳媒時，均沒有交代涉案數十篇呼籲制裁中國及香港的文章題目、具體內容為何 Can you elaborate, according to the NSL and the official statements, why Apple Daily was charged this time? In fact, the official statements from a few days ago didn’t mention Jimmy Lai at all, contrary to your claim (by doing what Jimmy Lai allegedly did in the US without disclosing it beforehand).

sudosysgen 5y ago

This is not exactly true. RT does not freely operate in the US, it was forced in a court of law to register as a foreign agent. Legally the US government would have been able to arrest every single RT journalist beforehand and send them to jail for five years. So yes, in court, it was decided whether or not RT was an agent of the Russian government, which is exactly the question at had in the post I was replying to. This is not actually applied since the end of the Cold War, but legally per the Foreign Agents Registration Act if you don't register as a foreign agent despite being one, even without being notified you should, you are committing a crime can be convicted. So, for example, being in contact with Xi Jinping or his lackeys and engaging in political action without registering as a foreign is actually a crime. And yes, people were prosecuted for that. But that's beyond even the point that I was stating, as a matter of FARA a court can and does inquire about that. RT is not right now being pursued for it, but people in the US can be pursued for doing things such as lying or leaking national secrets, ie things that would normally be protected under the first amendment, if they are doing so in furtherance of the goals of a foreign government without registering officially beforehand. For a recent case, see the case of Elliot Brodly which was found guilty for engaging in lobbying for a foreign government. These laws in the US are very, very selectively enforced. The lack of prosecution of a certain entity doesn't mean anything. BBC reporters in the US are technically committing a federal offense by not registering as foreign agents, but the government will never prosecute them for that. RT, on the other hand, was forced to register, and WEB Dubois was prosecuted for even less on the same laws.

hkmaxpro 5y ago
Honest question: Can you point me to the law about foreign agents (that RT is subject to)? I want to read more about it. Update: I found it https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/legal-authority https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/legal-authority But FARA is for from the National Security Law in HK. No immediate seizure of all assets as in the case of HK Apple Daily. And US has a robust legal system for disputes, unlike the NSL court in HK that is tightly controlled by the CCP. You cannot discuss just the specific law without discussing the legal system as a whole.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  FARA in the US would allow for unlimited fines and a five year jail term. So yes, they could completely financially deprive the organization. The US may have a robust legal system, but in the case of FARA this is completely undermined by the executive branch. What the US gains in judicial independence, it loses in sélective enforcement. The end result is that the US government can selectively shut down foreign agents and jail them, just like the Chinese government. There's no need to compromise the judiciary when the law is there black on white, by doing what Jimmy Lai allegedly did in the US without disclosing it beforehand, you can go to jail for years. It's just that it's so selectively enforced that you could arrest a random BBC journalist for the exact same reasons.
  - hkmaxpro 5y ago
    > when the law is there black on white [citation needed] Many people still don’t know the exact reason why Apple Daily was charged a few days ago under the NSL. https://theinitium.com/article/20210618-opinion-hk-what-does-normal-journalist-means/ https://theinitium.com/article/20210618-opinion-hk-what-does... > 但「串謀」計劃到底是什麼計劃？「串謀」和「正常新聞工作」之間的界線到底是什麼？有哪些具體的文章能成為證據？是評論文章還是報導中引用的受訪者的話？證據如果還未蒐集到位為何就能實施拘捕？⋯⋯對此局方一概沒有交代，畢竟，案件還處在「調查階段」，而永遠是說不清也不能說清楚的「國家安全」超然凌駕所有程序。 https://beta.thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%9C%8B%E5%AE%89%E6%8B%98%E8%98%8B%E6%9E%9C%E9%AB%98%E5%B1%A4-%E6%B6%88%E6%81%AF-%E8%BF%91%E7%99%BE%E7%AF%87%E6%B6%89%E6%A1%88%E6%96%87%E7%AB%A0%E5%8C%85%E6%8B%AC%E5%A0%B1%E9%81%93-%E8%A9%95%E8%AB%96-%E8%AD%A6%E5%B0%87%E8%A6%81%E6%B1%82-%E8%98%8B%E6%9E%9C-%E5%88%AA%E9%99%A4 https://beta.thestandnews.com/politics/%E5%9C%8B%E5%AE%89%E6... > 保安局局長李家超及國安處高級警司李桂華會見傳媒時，均沒有交代涉案數十篇呼籲制裁中國及香港的文章題目、具體內容為何 Can you elaborate, according to the NSL and the official statements, why Apple Daily was charged this time? In fact, the official statements from a few days ago didn’t mention Jimmy Lai at all, contrary to your claim (by doing what Jimmy Lai allegedly did in the US without disclosing it beforehand).