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Just like prohibition and its sequel, the "War on Drugs," this idea is a dud. When people show you they won't follow your laws, believe them. I mean ostensibly

Just like prohibition and its sequel, the "War on Drugs," this idea is a dud. When people show you they won't follow your laws, believe them. I mean ostensibly government is "by the consent of the governed," right? Why is your response to "consent denied" to force yourself upon them with renewed vigor?

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AussieWog93 5y ago
Just as a counterpoint, drink driving laws were widely disregarded in Australia in the 80's, and only now is it starting to become socially unacceptable. Just because everyone ignores or despises a law, it doesn't necessarily make it unjust or wrong.
- hnzix 5y ago
  And the same in Oz for littering and mandatory bicycle helmets. People initially disregarded the laws but then the behavior became socially normalized. Nowdays if someone is seen littering they will often be scolded by a random citizen.
- e1g 5y ago
  I love that in Australia drink driving is socially rejected. Not 100%, but more so than in any other country I’ve seen. Even with many young men, you are not cool, not a rebel, not “boys will be boys”, not “just this once”, none of that “I live nearby”. You are a bloody idiot, mate, and a wanker.
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  I agree with your point in the sense that popularity shouldn't be the overall guide on the law - morality should play a role. But there is a very practical point that if the "governed" are not listening, than the "governor" had better! Revolutions and civil wars have occurred over such. Also too often "popular" is conflated with "visible/noisome support". See the gay marriage here in Australia. Lots of noise on both sides, it took a referendum to prove that 61% supported it. Aside: my experience is it has been socially unacceptable to drink drive for 25+ years for everyone I know. You and I are having different life experiences! Hope yours is a good one, cheers!

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AussieWog93 5y ago

Just as a counterpoint, drink driving laws were widely disregarded in Australia in the 80's, and only now is it starting to become socially unacceptable. Just because everyone ignores or despises a law, it doesn't necessarily make it unjust or wrong.

hnzix 5y ago
And the same in Oz for littering and mandatory bicycle helmets. People initially disregarded the laws but then the behavior became socially normalized. Nowdays if someone is seen littering they will often be scolded by a random citizen.
e1g 5y ago
I love that in Australia drink driving is socially rejected. Not 100%, but more so than in any other country I’ve seen. Even with many young men, you are not cool, not a rebel, not “boys will be boys”, not “just this once”, none of that “I live nearby”. You are a bloody idiot, mate, and a wanker.
_carbyau_ 5y ago
I agree with your point in the sense that popularity shouldn't be the overall guide on the law - morality should play a role. But there is a very practical point that if the "governed" are not listening, than the "governor" had better! Revolutions and civil wars have occurred over such. Also too often "popular" is conflated with "visible/noisome support". See the gay marriage here in Australia. Lots of noise on both sides, it took a referendum to prove that 61% supported it. Aside: my experience is it has been socially unacceptable to drink drive for 25+ years for everyone I know. You and I are having different life experiences! Hope yours is a good one, cheers!