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I think you point to the basic question here: is it fair to only judge him for the things he has apologized for and taken ownership of, or would it be moral to
by aeturnum 5y ago
I think you point to the basic question here: is it fair to only judge him for the things he has apologized for and taken ownership of, or would it be moral to form and act on our own opinions?
If you feel it's only appropriate to judge people on the behavior they admit to, then I think your read is correct. That also, to me, feels like it becomes tautological - it places the locus of power on the accused and the onus of coming forward on the victim.
We want some level of responsibility on the victim. False accusations exist (though research suggests they are extremely rare). I don't have good answers - but someone asked what more someone could want and I answered. There are parts of how he talks about the experience that make me uneasy. I can understand that unease making others uncomfortable.
The line I would draw is one of looking for reflection on personal behavior. As I said in my post, I'm not comfortable accepting his description of the events as the end of it and I do not see any understanding of why that might be in his answer. I don't think he needs to have intended to commit sexual assault to have done it and I don't think someone needs to accuse him (privately or publicly) for him to reflect on the possibility.
I said elsewhere that I would work with him, but I would certainly understand if people didn't feel comfortable about it. I guess I've seen many people leave companies or not get hired for far more mundane interpersonal mismatches. It is really hard for me to take seriously that cultural fit matters at work, but that people must accept a former abusers' representations they have changed.
I also just want to say:
>[the companies fired him] based on fear of social media.
I have no idea if this is true and neither do you. I have seen external embarrassments handled in different ways and I am skeptical it was this simple. Of course, I could be wrong, but there are plenty of prominent figures who had accusations made against them and they either kept their jobs or found new positions.
- pdonis 5y ago> I think you point to the basic question here: is it fair to only judge him for the things he has apologized for and taken ownership of, or would it be moral to form and act on our own opinions? I'm fine with forming and acting on your own opinions, if they are based on reliable information. What I'm not fine with is cancelling someone without even bothering to find out reliable information, which is what appears to have happened in this case.
- pdonis 5y ago> False accusations exist (though research suggests they are extremely rare). What research are you referring to?
- aeturnum 5y agoFor a journalistic take I recommend[1], but if you would like to go right to the papers the wikipedia article has a good overview[2] [1]https://www.thecut.com/article/false-rape-accusations.html https://www.thecut.com/article/false-rape-accusations.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
- pdonis 5y ago> >[the companies fired him] based on fear of social media. I have no idea if this is true and neither do you. Fair enough. We don't have access to internal company deliberations.