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When you choose to side with lunatics and don't try to stop them from being associated with you then you shouldn't be surprised when people judge you for it. Th

When you choose to side with lunatics and don't try to stop them from being associated with you then you shouldn't be surprised when people judge you for it. This goes for both sides of course, so no need to throw it back at me as I'm not defending the right at all here I'm just attacking the left for associating with lunatics. I really hate how there can't just be a party of sensible people in USA, guess that is what you get with a two party system...

whimsicalism 5y ago
You found some people who say that math is racist, and it is now on everyone on the left side of the spectrum to disavow them? This seems absurd. I never sided with the math is racist people. I encourage you to think rationally about these things, and prioritize facts above feeling like X&X might be associated with Y&Y who has bad idea Z&Z. Look at what people actually support.
- username90 5y ago
  Well, there are many flavours of lunatics on the left, the "math is racist" people is just one flavour of it, and they are still supported by a significant subgroup of the Democrats. So in the end you support that side by voting for the Democrats. Of course in your opinion it is more important to stop all the lunatics on the right. But to a right wing voter he will look at all the flavours of lunatics supported by the Democrats and use that as a reason why he has to vote right. I'd argue that both parties absorbing their sides lunatics in USA is the by far biggest problem with politics over there. Where I live the lunatics made their own parties so you don't have to vote for them, but in a two party system that can't happen so the lunatics will almost surely get absorbed by the big parties.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Yes, but you used the "math is racist" people for a reason. It is absurd and it is much better to link people to stupid, absurd ideas than ideas that are actually supported by a significant subgroup of "the Democrats." You don't see how you are part of the exact problem that you are trying to critique. This is "meme activism" in action.
    - username90 5y ago
      I didn't bring up the "math is racist" people, another guy did. However where I live we have a person who published a paper arguing "math is sexist" at an important public position, so I believe the claim about "math is racist" people getting support instead of disdain.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        > where I live we have a person who published a paper arguing "math is sexist" at an important public position Could you link the general controversy? If the argument is that in the community of people who practice math, there are many who have racist or sexist biases, I find that plausible and not really a "lunatic" idea. If the argument is the general form of math (say algebra) is intrinsically sexist, then I think that is lunacy. I think the two are intentionally conflated to make the former sound like the latter.
        username90 5y ago
        Was physics, not math, but the argument is the same. It is the later, that physics is intrinsically sexist since it was invented by men and therefore uses a male mode of thinking. It is talking about middle school education so there is nothing about sexism among teachers. Example she used: The kids is given a lab to test how quickly sugar gets dissolved in coffee depending on temperature. A girl suggests they test immediately with hot water and after it got cooled for 5 minutes. A guy suggests they also tests after 10 minutes. The girl objects and says that nobody wants cold coffee so there is no reason to test at that temperature. The boy argues that they should test the how easily sugar gets dissolved depending on temperature and that the setting isn't relevant. This the paper argues is sexist behaviour and the girls perspective got trampled on when the teacher sided with the boy that they should do three tests. Page 14 here, you can use an auto translate or so. https://www.skolverket.se/download/18.6bfaca41169863e6a65380b/1553956715013/pdf590.pdf https://www.skolverket.se/download/18.6bfaca41169863e6a65380...

whimsicalism 5y ago

You found some people who say that math is racist, and it is now on everyone on the left side of the spectrum to disavow them? This seems absurd. I never sided with the math is racist people. I encourage you to think rationally about these things, and prioritize facts above feeling like X&X might be associated with Y&Y who has bad idea Z&Z. Look at what people actually support.

username90 5y ago
Well, there are many flavours of lunatics on the left, the "math is racist" people is just one flavour of it, and they are still supported by a significant subgroup of the Democrats. So in the end you support that side by voting for the Democrats. Of course in your opinion it is more important to stop all the lunatics on the right. But to a right wing voter he will look at all the flavours of lunatics supported by the Democrats and use that as a reason why he has to vote right. I'd argue that both parties absorbing their sides lunatics in USA is the by far biggest problem with politics over there. Where I live the lunatics made their own parties so you don't have to vote for them, but in a two party system that can't happen so the lunatics will almost surely get absorbed by the big parties.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Yes, but you used the "math is racist" people for a reason. It is absurd and it is much better to link people to stupid, absurd ideas than ideas that are actually supported by a significant subgroup of "the Democrats." You don't see how you are part of the exact problem that you are trying to critique. This is "meme activism" in action.
  - username90 5y ago
    I didn't bring up the "math is racist" people, another guy did. However where I live we have a person who published a paper arguing "math is sexist" at an important public position, so I believe the claim about "math is racist" people getting support instead of disdain.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      > where I live we have a person who published a paper arguing "math is sexist" at an important public position Could you link the general controversy? If the argument is that in the community of people who practice math, there are many who have racist or sexist biases, I find that plausible and not really a "lunatic" idea. If the argument is the general form of math (say algebra) is intrinsically sexist, then I think that is lunacy. I think the two are intentionally conflated to make the former sound like the latter.
      - username90 5y ago
        Was physics, not math, but the argument is the same. It is the later, that physics is intrinsically sexist since it was invented by men and therefore uses a male mode of thinking. It is talking about middle school education so there is nothing about sexism among teachers. Example she used: The kids is given a lab to test how quickly sugar gets dissolved in coffee depending on temperature. A girl suggests they test immediately with hot water and after it got cooled for 5 minutes. A guy suggests they also tests after 10 minutes. The girl objects and says that nobody wants cold coffee so there is no reason to test at that temperature. The boy argues that they should test the how easily sugar gets dissolved depending on temperature and that the setting isn't relevant. This the paper argues is sexist behaviour and the girls perspective got trampled on when the teacher sided with the boy that they should do three tests. Page 14 here, you can use an auto translate or so. https://www.skolverket.se/download/18.6bfaca41169863e6a65380b/1553956715013/pdf590.pdf https://www.skolverket.se/download/18.6bfaca41169863e6a65380...