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Its society's problem to solve. We shouldn't do away with college sports without a replacement avenue for people to get into high level sports. Most people who

Its society's problem to solve. We shouldn't do away with college sports without a replacement avenue for people to get into high level sports. Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. We shouldn't be okay with that.

triceratops 5y ago
> Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. Not at all. I just believe professional leagues will be fine with or without near-professional-quality college teams. There's far too much money in professional sports for them to die out just because universities don't field teams. I refer you to European soccer leagues for an alternative model. Moreover de-facto professional athletes playing for a pittance and getting a poor education on top of that makes my blood boil. Pay them proper wages and don't screw up their education. College football and basketball teams also have a tendency to suck up resources and attention away from the actual purpose of a university - which is to perform research and educate people.
- yupper32 5y ago
  It's exhausting to have to remind people in this thread that I'm talking about way more than the money maker sports. There's not "far too much money" in professional swimming or track & field. Killing the college sports, subsidized by the money maker sports, may very well kill the professional leagues for many sports. D1 basketball athletes be able to be paid. Absolutely. That doesn't change my opinion that college sports benefit society and are often worth the extra cost.
  - triceratops 5y ago
    If professional swimming or track "benefits society", why doesn't the government fund it directly? That's how it works in most other countries. Why are universities shouldering that burden?
    - yupper32 5y ago
      If you think "benefiting society" is how the US government chooses to fund things, I've got a bridge to sell you :)
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jldugger 5y ago
I'm not sure I understand why we need to be so concerned as a country about the longevity of competitive rowing.
- yupper32 5y ago
  Sports are important. Being competitive is important. Having hobbies is important. Taking time to do something other than "real life" responsibilities is important. Much of this relies on the inspiration people get from watching these sports, and exposure the sport gets from the professional leagues. All of this in ingrained in American culture. Whether it's capitalism, or high level sports, or pick up ball. It's all the same ball game. Calling out a single one of these is incredibly disingenuous. Would society worsen if we never had competitive rowing again? No. Would it worsen if we got rid of the 24 sports that the NCAA oversees? Absolutely.
  - jldugger 5y ago
    > Sports are important. Being competitive is important. Having hobbies is important. Even if I agreed with these unexplained assertions, none of this justifies collegiate varsity sports in the face of all the obstacles it places on the primary objective of university education, or indeed, the oddity of placing SAT scores and minimum GPAs as a barrier to professional athleticism. Your thesis seems to be professional sports are a priori important, and until we can replace varsity sports that feed professional leagues with a non-affiliated minor league, varsity must not be allowed to end. But there's really only one professional league I can think of that absolutely depends on the NCAA for athlete training, and we all seem to agree they can afford to solve this threat to their highly profitable existence; Congress has even granted them an antitrust exemption so it seems entirely fair society demands they develop a solution.

triceratops 5y ago

> Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. Not at all. I just believe professional leagues will be fine with or without near-professional-quality college teams. There's far too much money in professional sports for them to die out just because universities don't field teams. I refer you to European soccer leagues for an alternative model. Moreover de-facto professional athletes playing for a pittance and getting a poor education on top of that makes my blood boil. Pay them proper wages and don't screw up their education. College football and basketball teams also have a tendency to suck up resources and attention away from the actual purpose of a university - which is to perform research and educate people.

yupper32 5y ago
It's exhausting to have to remind people in this thread that I'm talking about way more than the money maker sports. There's not "far too much money" in professional swimming or track & field. Killing the college sports, subsidized by the money maker sports, may very well kill the professional leagues for many sports. D1 basketball athletes be able to be paid. Absolutely. That doesn't change my opinion that college sports benefit society and are often worth the extra cost.
- triceratops 5y ago
  If professional swimming or track "benefits society", why doesn't the government fund it directly? That's how it works in most other countries. Why are universities shouldering that burden?
  - yupper32 5y ago
    If you think "benefiting society" is how the US government chooses to fund things, I've got a bridge to sell you :)

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jldugger 5y ago

I'm not sure I understand why we need to be so concerned as a country about the longevity of competitive rowing.

yupper32 5y ago
Sports are important. Being competitive is important. Having hobbies is important. Taking time to do something other than "real life" responsibilities is important. Much of this relies on the inspiration people get from watching these sports, and exposure the sport gets from the professional leagues. All of this in ingrained in American culture. Whether it's capitalism, or high level sports, or pick up ball. It's all the same ball game. Calling out a single one of these is incredibly disingenuous. Would society worsen if we never had competitive rowing again? No. Would it worsen if we got rid of the 24 sports that the NCAA oversees? Absolutely.
- jldugger 5y ago
  > Sports are important. Being competitive is important. Having hobbies is important. Even if I agreed with these unexplained assertions, none of this justifies collegiate varsity sports in the face of all the obstacles it places on the primary objective of university education, or indeed, the oddity of placing SAT scores and minimum GPAs as a barrier to professional athleticism. Your thesis seems to be professional sports are a priori important, and until we can replace varsity sports that feed professional leagues with a non-affiliated minor league, varsity must not be allowed to end. But there's really only one professional league I can think of that absolutely depends on the NCAA for athlete training, and we all seem to agree they can afford to solve this threat to their highly profitable existence; Congress has even granted them an antitrust exemption so it seems entirely fair society demands they develop a solution.