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The problem is that there is no justice system for things that are not illegal, but are ethically or morally bad. Society in the US and in much of the western
by verifex 5y ago
The problem is that there is no justice system for things that are not illegal, but are ethically or morally bad.
Society in the US and in much of the western world has agreed that the only official punishments due for anything are when laws are broken. No law broken, no punishment. This is actually a weakness of our society when the lawmaking bodies choose to sit on the sidelines when the ethical or moral values of the society change, but the laws do not.
This is not to say that I endorse lots of new laws to accommodate punishments for people that break moral or ethical values that our society holds, but that without a system that can handle these problems in any capacity, society picks up the slack using whatever tools necessary. As of right now, our society has picked up and run with the idea of ostracism.
Trying to guide how our society treats people who break moral or ethical values is a right we have mostly all agreed that lawmaking bodies are in charge of. Unfortunately, most lawmaking bodies in the US, and maybe other parts of the world, are too concerned with outrage-farming for trying to win re-election. I wish I had a good answer here, but honestly, our society has a lot of social problems we are dealing with poorly right now, and this seems like a low-priority one, unfortunately.
- lelanthran 5y ago> The problem is that there is no justice system for things that are not illegal, but are ethically or morally bad. That's not a problem, that's a feature! After all, do you want to be punished for breaking someone else's moral code? Whether you like it or not, the legal system and the sets of laws is the only moral and ethical yardstick we have gotten society to agree on. If you want your particular set of morals to have a punishment then work within the guidelines to get it made into a law. If you can't garner enough support for your moral position to be made into law then maybe it's not as moral as you think.
- avs733 5y agoHow far do you want to take this argument? Warning people about someone's creepy behavior isn't a punishment, it's a warning that they might violate my moral code and I should probably avoid them. Is me avoiding them punishment? Should I then be punished? not punished? Define punishment...
- lelanthran 5y ago> Warning people about someone's creepy behavior isn't a punishment, Until someone goes around warning other people that they think that you act creepy around children? How do you define creepy? It's completely subjective. That's why the courts are objective. Making the argument for mobbing and witch-hunts almost never ends well.
- avs733 5y agoit's telling that you think courts are objective...
- lelanthran 5y ago> it's telling that you think courts are objective... So, if you think that the court system, with it's experts, and centuries of experience, with fallbacks and checks and balances, with emphasis on applying the law with regard to precedent and societal input, with appeals and formal processes that must be followed ... is unable to be objective, what makes you think that random people with an actual specified bias is more objective? I dunno about you, but I'll take my chances in court over someone who literally shouts their bias to the world any day. All the arguments for mob justice that you are attempting to make are the same arguments the KKK made for their justice.
- Jcowell 5y agoThere’s a difference between able to be objective and being objective. Anyone who believe that’s American Courts, or rather, courts are objective is someone I hope has a really good lawyer if they ever go to court.
- visarga 5y agoAre you aligning yourself here to the "master's tools will never dismantle the master's house" and proposing we distrust the systems in our society?