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I’m not even sure what “pressure women into sex” is supposed to mean. Clearly some people categorize flirting as this, which is crazy to me.
by ceilingcorner 5y ago
I’m not even sure what “pressure women into sex” is supposed to mean. Clearly some people categorize flirting as this, which is crazy to me.
- tptacek 5y agoIt was his word choice, not mine. He's been accused of bright-line violations that his apology doesn't mention, for whatever that's worth. For instance: attempting to have sex with someone too intoxicated to give consent isn't merely "pressure"; it's rape. (I only know what everyone else who just found out about this drama today knows, from looking at Twitter threads and Wikipedia.)
- ceilingcorner 5y agoIf you read the story, it seems pretty clear that he went a little overboard with his self-loathing apology. Hence my comment.
- tptacek 5y agoThe apology was posted in the context of people accusing him of specific misconduct, which allegations he does not seem to have rebutted at the time. You can be charitable and describe the apology as "self-loathing", but his clients can also take the reasonable interpretation that he's admitting culpabilty. Happy to have someone else dig into the Twitter threads of the time and refute me on this!
- ceilingcorner 5y agoIf you read the comments in this topic by him, it’s clear that the accusations do not line up with what he felt he did wrong.
- tptacek 5y agoThe people who cut their ties with him only have his interactions from the time to go on, not what he's saying here. But I think we're going around in circles here. I'm just pushing back on the invocation of "puritanism".
- ceilingcorner 5y agoI used Puritanism to refer to a specific cultural belief. Not just this specific situation. Honestly, I find your comment chain here very irrelevant to the point I was making.