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(slightly off-topic) Just out of curiosity. Is there a web framework in any language that can compete with Perl's Mojolicious? http://mojolicio.us/ http://mojol

by tete 15y ago

(slightly off-topic) Just out of curiosity. Is there a web framework in any language that can compete with Perl's Mojolicious? http://mojolicio.us/ http://mojolicio.us/ I know Mojo offer more but I would like to know whether there is another language with a framework where you have a complete box that is easy to deploy on any platform, comes with built in templates, comes with tools for testing, the ability to seamlessly grow Sinatra-style application into well structured Rail like stuff, a good plugin interface, a WWW library to directly get JSON or DOM elements from a remote location in one command, logs, interfaces for cgi, fastcgi, etc., production and development server with helpful exception handling inside the browser. I know you can have all of this when you use libraries, but it makes applications harder to deploy and maintain. Besides that it's way easier to write and read stuff when it's an all in one solution. I looked for something like that in Node.js and Ruby, but couldn't find anything.

lacerus 15y ago
In Ruby there is Sinatra: http://sinatrarb.com http://sinatrarb.com
- tete 15y ago
  But Sinatra is more like just the Mojolicious::Lite part with tests and plugins.
desigooner 15y ago
Are there anny similar projects for Python out there?
avstraliitski 15y ago
Honestly, I've coded loads in perl, and I think the language has a great place in the Unix user's toolkit. I certainly use it for small scripts all the time. However, the 10,000th time I had to type 'man perldsc' because of the ugly hack that perl data structures and their syntax represent ("Access and printing of HoHoAoHoHoAoA", anyone?), I swore never to use it for complex projects. I learned PHP, and never looked back. Do yourself a favour and learn Ruby, Python or PHP. Don't use perl for complex web projects - it's simply not the problem domain it was designed for, and it shows. I mean, look at the code example on that framework's page: "my $self = shift;" .. who can be bothered with such cruft in 2011? Get with the program!
- chromatic 15y ago
  it's simply not the problem domain it was designed for, and it shows Ah yes, the "single purpose tool by design" fallacy. PHP wasn't designed for Ajax or JSON or HTML 5. Perl wasn't designed for the web. Install a library. It's a general purpose programming language designed for you to use libraries.
- tete 15y ago
  Uhm, sorry but that's nonsense. I know PHP and Ruby. The latter one very well. While Ruby is a great language I prefer Perl in most situations. While I consider both of them to be very good the primary reasons for choosing Perl are CPAN and the fact that it is older and therefor they already "fixed" a lot of shortcomings that other scripting languages have. And yes, I know the benefits of Ruby's OO. I have used Smalltalk, so please don't tell me all the wonderful things you can do. I know them. But using Perl is like using a lot of experience for practical stuff. That's Perl's strength. There is a lot of knowledge in it and it's designed for practical stuff, the real world and not to look good or to be easy to learn. I still recommend Ruby to people who ask me about programming. Simply because it's better to understand a lot of things and I think it's easier if you start out with a programming language like Ruby. But staying with one language is just stupid. You will have a lot experience with a particular, but knowing different approaches to solve problems is even better. Then there is this TIMTOWTDI dogma it that receives a lot of criticism, but I think it what keeps Perl alive. It makes it very flexible so you can use it like a completely different language. One can use it for small scripts or one-liners and huge applications. Also it's not true that there are no start up. DuckDuckGo is maybe the most popular example. But this doesn't mean you should all use Perl. People do things in different ways and they think in different ways. It's not about choosing one single language that receives a lot of hype. Just learn and what's more important understand them. And with understanding I mean the philosophy. A lot of C people for example use Perl like it would be C and then say it's bad because it's like C and slower. GitHub is a nice way to find out how people are using a language and receive some inspiration. It's like everyone should at least try Small Talk and a language like LISP or Haskell. And everyone should learn what Assembly is all about. It will make you a better programmer no matter what language you'll be loosing in the end. Oh, sorry. This is so off topic. I just wanted to know what stuff I might have missed, because it's really been a while since I had a look on other languages. Sorry!

by tete 15y ago

lacerus 15y ago

In Ruby there is Sinatra: http://sinatrarb.com http://sinatrarb.com

tete 15y ago
But Sinatra is more like just the Mojolicious::Lite part with tests and plugins.

desigooner 15y ago

Are there anny similar projects for Python out there?

avstraliitski 15y ago

Honestly, I've coded loads in perl, and I think the language has a great place in the Unix user's toolkit. I certainly use it for small scripts all the time. However, the 10,000th time I had to type 'man perldsc' because of the ugly hack that perl data structures and their syntax represent ("Access and printing of HoHoAoHoHoAoA", anyone?), I swore never to use it for complex projects. I learned PHP, and never looked back. Do yourself a favour and learn Ruby, Python or PHP. Don't use perl for complex web projects - it's simply not the problem domain it was designed for, and it shows. I mean, look at the code example on that framework's page: "my $self = shift;" .. who can be bothered with such cruft in 2011? Get with the program!

chromatic 15y ago
it's simply not the problem domain it was designed for, and it shows Ah yes, the "single purpose tool by design" fallacy. PHP wasn't designed for Ajax or JSON or HTML 5. Perl wasn't designed for the web. Install a library. It's a general purpose programming language designed for you to use libraries.
tete 15y ago
Uhm, sorry but that's nonsense. I know PHP and Ruby. The latter one very well. While Ruby is a great language I prefer Perl in most situations. While I consider both of them to be very good the primary reasons for choosing Perl are CPAN and the fact that it is older and therefor they already "fixed" a lot of shortcomings that other scripting languages have. And yes, I know the benefits of Ruby's OO. I have used Smalltalk, so please don't tell me all the wonderful things you can do. I know them. But using Perl is like using a lot of experience for practical stuff. That's Perl's strength. There is a lot of knowledge in it and it's designed for practical stuff, the real world and not to look good or to be easy to learn. I still recommend Ruby to people who ask me about programming. Simply because it's better to understand a lot of things and I think it's easier if you start out with a programming language like Ruby. But staying with one language is just stupid. You will have a lot experience with a particular, but knowing different approaches to solve problems is even better. Then there is this TIMTOWTDI dogma it that receives a lot of criticism, but I think it what keeps Perl alive. It makes it very flexible so you can use it like a completely different language. One can use it for small scripts or one-liners and huge applications. Also it's not true that there are no start up. DuckDuckGo is maybe the most popular example. But this doesn't mean you should all use Perl. People do things in different ways and they think in different ways. It's not about choosing one single language that receives a lot of hype. Just learn and what's more important understand them. And with understanding I mean the philosophy. A lot of C people for example use Perl like it would be C and then say it's bad because it's like C and slower. GitHub is a nice way to find out how people are using a language and receive some inspiration. It's like everyone should at least try Small Talk and a language like LISP or Haskell. And everyone should learn what Assembly is all about. It will make you a better programmer no matter what language you'll be loosing in the end. Oh, sorry. This is so off topic. I just wanted to know what stuff I might have missed, because it's really been a while since I had a look on other languages. Sorry!