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By those metrics, IKEA fits the bill as well. But at what point do we qualify productivity with some measure of quality? You'd be hard pressed to argue IKEA pro

By those metrics, IKEA fits the bill as well. But at what point do we qualify productivity with some measure of quality? You'd be hard pressed to argue IKEA produces quality. For all the laurels and new features and gadgets and gizmos have produced, very few AWS offerings or new Amazon products are considered best in class.

ptudan 5y ago
Top of market quality is obviously not IKEAs goal. There is no one in IKEA corporate who would argue differently. IKEA makes cheap, good enough furniture. Similar to Amazon's approach. You can't argue that either is not hitting a certain high quality bar when neither are striving for it. Disclaimer: I work for AMZN
- rightbyte 5y ago
  Ikea has more similarities with Apple than Amazon. Amazon is a mishmash of stuff being sold, like Dollarstore or whatever. Ikea is more like the Apple store. Ikea is a streamlined and well thought out experience.
  - dimitrios1 5y ago
    > Ikea is a streamlined and well thought out experience. It's so fascinating how diverse people's viewpoints are! My first experience of IKEA was that it was a confusing, frustrating, poorly laid out and inefficient labyrinth designed to get you lost, and also funnel you to the "hot dog" items that make them the majority of their profit. I've taken many of my parents and observed similarly people's parents and grandparents of friends get just as frustrated and confused at the layout. For god sakes, I just want to be able to walk in, go to the "kitchen decor" get what I need, and walk out. I don't want an "experience", but I digress.
influx 5y ago
What cloud provider is better than AWS?
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  If you ask me, digital ocean: top notch UX, good performance, good offering of services (k8s, load balancing, managed databases). A reasonable and nice service. I use it for some small businesses of mine but I wouldn't use it for a medium company. I would just get some servers from smaller provider in different data centers and deploy whatever I need. AWS, was definitely the service that convinced everyone they needed the cloud. Most of the companies I've seen move to aws are just wasting money, don't need the scalability and are massively over-provisioned. A few unicorns needs the cloud's powers to scale massively now - and, given how much it costs, they'll end up rewriting it anyway to save hundreds of millions a few years down the line.
- dafelst 5y ago
  Better than AWS at what? Many are better than AWS in parts of their business - Google's Kubernetes offerings are far better than AWS's overall, Azure beats the pants of AWS in Windows hosting, Active Directory hosting, Confluent provides a better Kafka offering, Snowflake shits all over Redshift and Aurora (at least for OLAP) etc. That said, AWS is solid and best in class in many areas, and to paraphrase the old saying: "no one ever got fired for choosing AWS"
- ipaddr 5y ago
  By price? All of them
xibalba 5y ago
I think a better measure of IKEA would be "value"–the intersection of price, quality, and problem-solution fit. IKEA is not attempting to sell the highest quality furniture in the world. They are attempting to sell furniture that is "good enough" at a great price. Have they succeeded? Their customers seem to have dollar-voted with resounding "yes".
spoonjim 5y ago
IKEA produces excellent quality for the price. People who think it's low quality usually don't glue it together or attach it to the wall when appropriate.
- astrange 5y ago
  The particleboard on the back of Billy is not that high quality, but maybe it's fine against a wall. On the other hand, I have all Ikea furniture and it's survived 3-4 moves and only gotten stronger - my last mover's hobby was repairing furniture and he fixed everything with his pile of spare parts.

ptudan 5y ago

Top of market quality is obviously not IKEAs goal. There is no one in IKEA corporate who would argue differently. IKEA makes cheap, good enough furniture. Similar to Amazon's approach. You can't argue that either is not hitting a certain high quality bar when neither are striving for it. Disclaimer: I work for AMZN

rightbyte 5y ago
Ikea has more similarities with Apple than Amazon. Amazon is a mishmash of stuff being sold, like Dollarstore or whatever. Ikea is more like the Apple store. Ikea is a streamlined and well thought out experience.
- dimitrios1 5y ago
  > Ikea is a streamlined and well thought out experience. It's so fascinating how diverse people's viewpoints are! My first experience of IKEA was that it was a confusing, frustrating, poorly laid out and inefficient labyrinth designed to get you lost, and also funnel you to the "hot dog" items that make them the majority of their profit. I've taken many of my parents and observed similarly people's parents and grandparents of friends get just as frustrated and confused at the layout. For god sakes, I just want to be able to walk in, go to the "kitchen decor" get what I need, and walk out. I don't want an "experience", but I digress.

influx 5y ago

What cloud provider is better than AWS?

jokethrowaway 5y ago
If you ask me, digital ocean: top notch UX, good performance, good offering of services (k8s, load balancing, managed databases). A reasonable and nice service. I use it for some small businesses of mine but I wouldn't use it for a medium company. I would just get some servers from smaller provider in different data centers and deploy whatever I need. AWS, was definitely the service that convinced everyone they needed the cloud. Most of the companies I've seen move to aws are just wasting money, don't need the scalability and are massively over-provisioned. A few unicorns needs the cloud's powers to scale massively now - and, given how much it costs, they'll end up rewriting it anyway to save hundreds of millions a few years down the line.
dafelst 5y ago
Better than AWS at what? Many are better than AWS in parts of their business - Google's Kubernetes offerings are far better than AWS's overall, Azure beats the pants of AWS in Windows hosting, Active Directory hosting, Confluent provides a better Kafka offering, Snowflake shits all over Redshift and Aurora (at least for OLAP) etc. That said, AWS is solid and best in class in many areas, and to paraphrase the old saying: "no one ever got fired for choosing AWS"
ipaddr 5y ago
By price? All of them

xibalba 5y ago

I think a better measure of IKEA would be "value"–the intersection of price, quality, and problem-solution fit. IKEA is not attempting to sell the highest quality furniture in the world. They are attempting to sell furniture that is "good enough" at a great price. Have they succeeded? Their customers seem to have dollar-voted with resounding "yes".

spoonjim 5y ago

IKEA produces excellent quality for the price. People who think it's low quality usually don't glue it together or attach it to the wall when appropriate.

astrange 5y ago
The particleboard on the back of Billy is not that high quality, but maybe it's fine against a wall. On the other hand, I have all Ikea furniture and it's survived 3-4 moves and only gotten stronger - my last mover's hobby was repairing furniture and he fixed everything with his pile of spare parts.