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NBA? Sure. NFL? Yeah. They can probably fund and figure out the logistics for an operation like this. What about all the other sports? At the moment, we've fig

NBA? Sure. NFL? Yeah. They can probably fund and figure out the logistics for an operation like this. What about all the other sports? At the moment, we've figured out a way to elevate less lucrative sports like track & field or swimming into a potential profession without making young people take massive risks by skipping higher education.

triceratops 5y ago
How do countries that are "not the US" produce swimmers or track and field athletes?
- twiddling 5y ago
  often through direct state sponsorship
  - triceratops 5y ago
    I think Olympic athletes get government funding in the US as well. There's also the possibility of firms like IMG funding athletes' expenses and training, in return for a cut of future earnings.
    - yupper32 5y ago
      > I think Olympic athletes get government funding in the US as well. This is incorrect. "Unlike other national Olympic organizations, [Team USA] receives no government funds. It pays for its operations and helps fund athletes and the national governing bodies of its sports through the sale of media and sponsorship rights and some modest fund-raising." - NYT
jldugger 5y ago
NBA? Sure. NFL? Yeah. They can probably fund and figure out the logistics for an operation like this. What about all the other sports? I'm really struggling to come up with a reason this is the academy's problem to solve.
- yupper32 5y ago
  Its society's problem to solve. We shouldn't do away with college sports without a replacement avenue for people to get into high level sports. Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. We shouldn't be okay with that.
  - triceratops 5y ago
    > Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. Not at all. I just believe professional leagues will be fine with or without near-professional-quality college teams. There's far too much money in professional sports for them to die out just because universities don't field teams. I refer you to European soccer leagues for an alternative model. Moreover de-facto professional athletes playing for a pittance and getting a poor education on top of that makes my blood boil. Pay them proper wages and don't screw up their education. College football and basketball teams also have a tendency to suck up resources and attention away from the actual purpose of a university - which is to perform research and educate people.
    - yupper32 5y ago
      It's exhausting to have to remind people in this thread that I'm talking about way more than the money maker sports. There's not "far too much money" in professional swimming or track & field. Killing the college sports, subsidized by the money maker sports, may very well kill the professional leagues for many sports. D1 basketball athletes be able to be paid. Absolutely. That doesn't change my opinion that college sports benefit society and are often worth the extra cost.
      - triceratops 5y ago
        If professional swimming or track "benefits society", why doesn't the government fund it directly? That's how it works in most other countries. Why are universities shouldering that burden?
cortesoft 5y ago
Why is skipping higher education to try to play professionally a massive risk? If it doesn’t work out, you can go to college after. Lots of people get jobs right after high school, then go back to school later. Not only that, but those people are usually going to jobs with a lot less upside than being a professional athlete.
Ekaros 5y ago
If they can't make money to pay athletes, maybe they do not deserve to survive. We don't subsidise aspiring people in most other fields, why should sports be any different.
- yupper32 5y ago
  > We don't subsidise aspiring people in most other fields Yes we do. It's called merit based scholarships.
eastWestMath 5y ago
Just because someone doesn’t go to college at 18 doesn’t mean they’re “skipping” higher education. Spending a few years making 30k a year to play basketball would be awesome - my father had teammates in college who put off grad/med school to go play in a shitty European leagues or random minor leagues around North America, it never sounded like they regretted it. If they followed Hockey’s example, where playing a year in the MJ gives you a year of tuition, it could work out great for young players.

triceratops 5y ago

How do countries that are "not the US" produce swimmers or track and field athletes?

twiddling 5y ago
often through direct state sponsorship
- triceratops 5y ago
  I think Olympic athletes get government funding in the US as well. There's also the possibility of firms like IMG funding athletes' expenses and training, in return for a cut of future earnings.
  - yupper32 5y ago
    > I think Olympic athletes get government funding in the US as well. This is incorrect. "Unlike other national Olympic organizations, [Team USA] receives no government funds. It pays for its operations and helps fund athletes and the national governing bodies of its sports through the sale of media and sponsorship rights and some modest fund-raising." - NYT

jldugger 5y ago

NBA? Sure. NFL? Yeah. They can probably fund and figure out the logistics for an operation like this. What about all the other sports? I'm really struggling to come up with a reason this is the academy's problem to solve.

yupper32 5y ago
Its society's problem to solve. We shouldn't do away with college sports without a replacement avenue for people to get into high level sports. Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. We shouldn't be okay with that.
- triceratops 5y ago
  > Most people who want to do away with college sports seem okay with killing their professional leagues. Not at all. I just believe professional leagues will be fine with or without near-professional-quality college teams. There's far too much money in professional sports for them to die out just because universities don't field teams. I refer you to European soccer leagues for an alternative model. Moreover de-facto professional athletes playing for a pittance and getting a poor education on top of that makes my blood boil. Pay them proper wages and don't screw up their education. College football and basketball teams also have a tendency to suck up resources and attention away from the actual purpose of a university - which is to perform research and educate people.
  - yupper32 5y ago
    It's exhausting to have to remind people in this thread that I'm talking about way more than the money maker sports. There's not "far too much money" in professional swimming or track & field. Killing the college sports, subsidized by the money maker sports, may very well kill the professional leagues for many sports. D1 basketball athletes be able to be paid. Absolutely. That doesn't change my opinion that college sports benefit society and are often worth the extra cost.
    - triceratops 5y ago
      If professional swimming or track "benefits society", why doesn't the government fund it directly? That's how it works in most other countries. Why are universities shouldering that burden?

cortesoft 5y ago

Why is skipping higher education to try to play professionally a massive risk? If it doesn’t work out, you can go to college after. Lots of people get jobs right after high school, then go back to school later. Not only that, but those people are usually going to jobs with a lot less upside than being a professional athlete.

Ekaros 5y ago

If they can't make money to pay athletes, maybe they do not deserve to survive. We don't subsidise aspiring people in most other fields, why should sports be any different.

yupper32 5y ago
> We don't subsidise aspiring people in most other fields Yes we do. It's called merit based scholarships.

eastWestMath 5y ago

Just because someone doesn’t go to college at 18 doesn’t mean they’re “skipping” higher education. Spending a few years making 30k a year to play basketball would be awesome - my father had teammates in college who put off grad/med school to go play in a shitty European leagues or random minor leagues around North America, it never sounded like they regretted it. If they followed Hockey’s example, where playing a year in the MJ gives you a year of tuition, it could work out great for young players.