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Just to be clear: you can do this with basically all social media, but I think it's an interesting discussion to be had that these services exist (and have spec

by zkldi 5y ago

Just to be clear: you can do this with basically all social media, but I think it's an interesting discussion to be had that these services exist (and have specific detail, such as the comments[1] or FAQ[2]) one. This isn't a knock against any of the HN staff, but rather about how discussion can be paid for and shaped. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210126003211/https://upvotes.club/buy/hacker-news-comment/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210126003211/https://upvotes.c... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20210126003211/https://upvotes.club/questions-and-answers-related-to-hacker-news/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210126003211/https://upvotes.c... EDIT: looks like this hug-of-deathed the site, thats certainly one way to deal with this.

myWindoonn 5y ago
Can't do this on Lobsters! Yet another instance of good reputation design.
SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
You can, but there’s no denying that HN is an extremely attractive and soft target, given the audience, strong anonymity, and lack of security staff.
- dang 5y ago
  Lack of security staff? Where did you get that from? We've poured countless hours into anti-abuse work on this site over many years, and still do. If you have some justification for describing HN as a "soft target", I'd like to hear what it is, because from my perspective what you call "there's no denying" is flatly false. Even your own statement contradicts it: if HN were such a soft target, it would already be completely gamed, which would make it a shitty site, which would make it an unattractive target.
  - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
    I don’t mean to suggest any misstep on your part. I mean that you don’t have full-time security staff, yet in terms of influence and ROI for the bad guys, you’re in the same league as sites that have entire teams working on this. I disagree that a significantly gamed HN would be overtly shitty. Influence campaigns work by posting engaging content that real users propagate. Setting the agenda is enough.
    - dang 5y ago
      Ok, peace! I probably overreacted as gus_massa kind of nailed it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27583671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27583671
dang 5y ago
People can pay for this, but it by no means follows that they get what they thought they were paying for.

by zkldi 5y ago

myWindoonn 5y ago

Can't do this on Lobsters! Yet another instance of good reputation design.

SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago

You can, but there’s no denying that HN is an extremely attractive and soft target, given the audience, strong anonymity, and lack of security staff.

dang 5y ago
Lack of security staff? Where did you get that from? We've poured countless hours into anti-abuse work on this site over many years, and still do. If you have some justification for describing HN as a "soft target", I'd like to hear what it is, because from my perspective what you call "there's no denying" is flatly false. Even your own statement contradicts it: if HN were such a soft target, it would already be completely gamed, which would make it a shitty site, which would make it an unattractive target.
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
  I don’t mean to suggest any misstep on your part. I mean that you don’t have full-time security staff, yet in terms of influence and ROI for the bad guys, you’re in the same league as sites that have entire teams working on this. I disagree that a significantly gamed HN would be overtly shitty. Influence campaigns work by posting engaging content that real users propagate. Setting the agenda is enough.
  - dang 5y ago
    Ok, peace! I probably overreacted as gus_massa kind of nailed it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27583671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27583671

dang 5y ago

People can pay for this, but it by no means follows that they get what they thought they were paying for.