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> They do stop doing the shitty underpaid jobs that no-one wants to do if they can possibly avoid it. This is good. Those jobs need to be redesigned because the

> They do stop doing the shitty underpaid jobs that no-one wants to do if they can possibly avoid it. This is good. Those jobs need to be redesigned because they're shitty. Re-designing jobs to be less shitty is one way, of course, but the reason they were not already done is not because the owners are evil per-se, but because it is too expensive, etc See real world UBI examples in middle-east, where citizens get money, most of the world is done by imported labor, 2nd class citizens that are treated terribly, but their govt. and citizens are ok with the status quo. So, here, we will have the worst of both worlds... - No money to pay for it ( No, the Fed printing press is not the equivalent of oil ) - More people to take care of. -- > get out of this bullshit Protestant Work Ethic mindset that work is about suffering Well, you created the strawman. It is more about the values of diligence and discipline, no different from anything you want to achieve, like excelling in sports, arts, etc

sgift 5y ago
> Re-designing jobs to be less shitty is one way, of course, but the reason they were not already done is not because the owners are evil per-se, but because it is too expensive, etc Or simply because they don't have to. Too expensive is very often code for "Sure, I could change the job, but that would cost ME something and I still get enough workers without doing it, so ..."
- foolinaround 5y ago
  sure, we are witnessing mini-experiments like the raise in minimum wages in various areas across the country, and we get to witness the 2nd order effects - some beneficial, and some not ( some even unexpected ) An impartial observer will hopefully make predictions (driven by his biases, of course) but in a few years, use the hindsight to learn lessons.

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> They do stop doing the shitty underpaid jobs that no-one wants to do if they can possibly avoid it. This is good. Those jobs need to be redesigned because the

by foolinaround 5y ago

sgift 5y ago
> Re-designing jobs to be less shitty is one way, of course, but the reason they were not already done is not because the owners are evil per-se, but because it is too expensive, etc Or simply because they don't have to. Too expensive is very often code for "Sure, I could change the job, but that would cost ME something and I still get enough workers without doing it, so ..."
- foolinaround 5y ago
  sure, we are witnessing mini-experiments like the raise in minimum wages in various areas across the country, and we get to witness the 2nd order effects - some beneficial, and some not ( some even unexpected ) An impartial observer will hopefully make predictions (driven by his biases, of course) but in a few years, use the hindsight to learn lessons.