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Just to be clear, every vehicle sold in the US, Canada, and a number of other nations had to have front left and right airbags as of 1998. By 2009 -- 11 years l

Just to be clear, every vehicle sold in the US, Canada, and a number of other nations had to have front left and right airbags as of 1998. By 2009 -- 11 years later -- even the lowest cars usually had a barrage of airbags, ABS was mandatory, and so on. So you are most certainly mistaken about the claim that it is sold "everywhere", although you have since edited that to be restricted to "where they sold them" which conveniently excludes all the places where it simply couldn't be sold.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> So either your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations, or you are indeed mistaken. I'm obviously not going to be mistaken about my own car, am I? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender#2012_updates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender#2012_updat... Selling as late as 2016 with no air bags, in many Western first-world nations, obviously including such as the UK where it was built, but I think also France, Germany, etc. In fact they even specifically say: > However, safety regulations due for introduction in 2015 requiring minimum pedestrian safety standards and the fitment of airbags to commercial vehicles cannot be met without a wholesale redesign of the Defender. Another source. https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/land-rover/defender/sports-utility-vehicle/11588/review/reliability https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/land-rover/defender/sport... Which says: > it was never fitted with any airbags
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- chrisseaton 5y ago
  defaultname we can see when you write comments and then delete them, you know. And we can see when you edit your comments, because I already quoted them. The original claim you wrote 'So either your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations, or you are indeed mistaken.' is clearly false.
  - defaultname 5y ago
    How bizarre. I deleted my final comment because I realized it is ridiculous that it has gone this deep. But here we are. It's funny that you bring up editing, because the single thing I was replying to was your original claim that your airbag-less vehicle was the same model they sold "everywhere" (which you later edited because of course the vehicle was illegal in a number of nations). I never contested that you bought some bizarrely outdated vehicle in the UK in 2009. If I edited a comment, I made it more accurate immediately, and it's incredibly strange that you think you've caught me out. I truly don't care about your strange retro vehicle. But in this conversation it is so hilariously irrelevant to the context.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > your airbag-less vehicle was the same model they sold "everywhere" Yeah everywhere they sold the Defender, they sold it without airbags. That's always what I said, and it's true. > I never contested that you bought some bizarrely outdated vehicle in the UK in 2009 You said 'your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations'. This a demonstrably untrue statement, because it was sold in at least the UK.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> So either your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations, or you are indeed mistaken. I'm obviously not going to be mistaken about my own car, am I? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender#2012_updates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender#2012_updat... Selling as late as 2016 with no air bags, in many Western first-world nations, obviously including such as the UK where it was built, but I think also France, Germany, etc. In fact they even specifically say: > However, safety regulations due for introduction in 2015 requiring minimum pedestrian safety standards and the fitment of airbags to commercial vehicles cannot be met without a wholesale redesign of the Defender. Another source. https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/land-rover/defender/sports-utility-vehicle/11588/review/reliability https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/land-rover/defender/sport... Which says: > it was never fitted with any airbags

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chrisseaton 5y ago
defaultname we can see when you write comments and then delete them, you know. And we can see when you edit your comments, because I already quoted them. The original claim you wrote 'So either your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations, or you are indeed mistaken.' is clearly false.
- defaultname 5y ago
  How bizarre. I deleted my final comment because I realized it is ridiculous that it has gone this deep. But here we are. It's funny that you bring up editing, because the single thing I was replying to was your original claim that your airbag-less vehicle was the same model they sold "everywhere" (which you later edited because of course the vehicle was illegal in a number of nations). I never contested that you bought some bizarrely outdated vehicle in the UK in 2009. If I edited a comment, I made it more accurate immediately, and it's incredibly strange that you think you've caught me out. I truly don't care about your strange retro vehicle. But in this conversation it is so hilariously irrelevant to the context.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > your airbag-less vehicle was the same model they sold "everywhere" Yeah everywhere they sold the Defender, they sold it without airbags. That's always what I said, and it's true. > I never contested that you bought some bizarrely outdated vehicle in the UK in 2009 You said 'your vehicle was sold in no first-world nations'. This a demonstrably untrue statement, because it was sold in at least the UK.