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Worse for you. I happen to like bluetooth, backup cameras, wireless keys, and a lot of the other modern features cars have now. Manufacturers definitely went w

Worse for you. I happen to like bluetooth, backup cameras, wireless keys, and a lot of the other modern features cars have now. Manufacturers definitely went wrong putting important controls in the touch screen. That’s a usability nightmare. I’d consider the rest to be personal preference.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
Wireless keys are a feature from the 90s.
- whynotminot 5y ago
  So are cell phones. But there’s a difference in their quality and ubiquity now right?
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    No? They let you unlock your car from a distance. This is of pretty questionable utility in the first place, since you can't benefit from the unlocking without being next to the car, but it worked then just as well as it works now.
    - whynotminot 5y ago
      Mine at least does a lot more than that. For instance, it's smart enough to know if you put the key in the trunk and will automatically open the trunk back up. It has pretty good awareness of where it is in relation to the car, which gives me more confidence in using it that I won't do something stupid and lock myself out (or at least not be allowed to do something stupid). If those earlier systems from the 90s were just as precisely "self aware" then I'll concede this point to you, but I suspect they weren't so well integrated. As far as the "questionable utility goes", I frankly love it. I love just walking up to my car and having it unlock for me. Sure, it's not much, but it's kind of the equivalent of Touch ID or Face ID on a phone these days. Sure, entering a PIN code isn't the hardest thing in the world, but it's the little things that make life just a smidge less annoying, right? You didn't address my point regarding their ubiquity now, so I feel like you kinda decided to only address half my point...
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  My 2016 Corolla still came with an old fashioned key.
- kayodelycaon 5y ago
  I meant RFID keys. I never need to take mine out of my pocket. My door unlocks when I touch it. My car starts when I push the on button.
Silhouette 5y ago
Manufacturers definitely went wrong putting important controls in the touch screen. That’s a usability nightmare. I’d consider the rest to be personal preference. I'm not sure I'd consider permanent connectivity and the related telemetry and OTA updates to be personal preference. These are often being used in ways contrary to the owner's or driver's interests, from invading privacy to "licensing" vehicle features that can be disabled later, and they come with significant security and safety risks.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

Wireless keys are a feature from the 90s.

whynotminot 5y ago
So are cell phones. But there’s a difference in their quality and ubiquity now right?
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  No? They let you unlock your car from a distance. This is of pretty questionable utility in the first place, since you can't benefit from the unlocking without being next to the car, but it worked then just as well as it works now.
  - whynotminot 5y ago
    Mine at least does a lot more than that. For instance, it's smart enough to know if you put the key in the trunk and will automatically open the trunk back up. It has pretty good awareness of where it is in relation to the car, which gives me more confidence in using it that I won't do something stupid and lock myself out (or at least not be allowed to do something stupid). If those earlier systems from the 90s were just as precisely "self aware" then I'll concede this point to you, but I suspect they weren't so well integrated. As far as the "questionable utility goes", I frankly love it. I love just walking up to my car and having it unlock for me. Sure, it's not much, but it's kind of the equivalent of Touch ID or Face ID on a phone these days. Sure, entering a PIN code isn't the hardest thing in the world, but it's the little things that make life just a smidge less annoying, right? You didn't address my point regarding their ubiquity now, so I feel like you kinda decided to only address half my point...
ceejayoz 5y ago
My 2016 Corolla still came with an old fashioned key.
kayodelycaon 5y ago
I meant RFID keys. I never need to take mine out of my pocket. My door unlocks when I touch it. My car starts when I push the on button.

Silhouette 5y ago

Manufacturers definitely went wrong putting important controls in the touch screen. That’s a usability nightmare. I’d consider the rest to be personal preference. I'm not sure I'd consider permanent connectivity and the related telemetry and OTA updates to be personal preference. These are often being used in ways contrary to the owner's or driver's interests, from invading privacy to "licensing" vehicle features that can be disabled later, and they come with significant security and safety risks.