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All the scenarios in my mind are bad. Either (1) we have actual aliens, which in bad inasmuch it is freaking crazy and novel; (2) the government is incompetent

by abnry 5y ago

All the scenarios in my mind are bad. Either (1) we have actual aliens, which in bad inasmuch it is freaking crazy and novel; (2) the government is incompetent in identifying the physical effects manifesting in the sensors and is okay in exposing their incompetence; (3) a non-US nation-state has superior technology, which suggests a potential bad future geopolitical outcome; or (4) the government is running a psych-op on its people and deliberately pushing misleading information for some purpose, such as to subtly signal to other nation-states that they have advanced technology.

IAmGraydon 5y ago
Judging by the way the UFO rhetoric was suddenly ratcheted up several years ago by the US Govt, I feel that #4 is probably the most likely. My gut is telling me something isn’t right.
- RobertoG 5y ago
  I have this feeling too, not so much about the pilots testimony, as about the way the videos came to light. If I put my conspiracy theorist hat, this "To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science" smells to me to a "Intelligence Community" front.
  - WJW 5y ago
    For people with conspiracy theorist hats, any name can smells like an intelligence community front. Too weird and it's obviously fake, too normal and it just shows you that the intelligence community is Very Tricky Indeed and almost managed to fool us by choosing such a normal name. But luckily, due to our Advanced Conspiracy Theorist Hat Technology advantage we knew upfront that anything we look at is an intelligence community front and therefore they can never fool us with their devious naming choices.
    - RobertoG 5y ago
      Oh, but it's not the name what smells like a "intelligence community" front. It's that if you check the founders they are related to the "intelligence community", and the way the video was "leaked" to the NYT feels kind of funny too. This guy Luís Elizondo (1) is clearly from the "community", what it's not so clear is that he was in charge of investigating UFOs as he is claiming. I don't know, maybe they just want to make money or they are legitimate and just want the truth. Of course, this is just a "feeling" that I have, so, I'm not claiming is falsifiable or it's the true, for now it's only something to have an eye on that I wanted to share. (1) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo
      - sterlind 5y ago
        for whatever reason, over decades, it seems like Air Force or IC veterans tend to be more into UFOs than the average person. maybe because of rumors they hear, or maybe they get interested because most of the UFO sightings have some military connection. so it could just be that the people who are most into UFOs join organizations like TTSA or MUFON or what have you.
- dTal 5y ago
  I've been partial to this theory posted on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21859896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21859896 tl;dr it is a "psyop" but the target is our servicemembers who were too scared to report weird phenomena.
  - IAmGraydon 5y ago
    Now that is an interesting theory. Makes a lot of sense.
RobertoG 5y ago
I watched some interview with some congressman saying that the aliens explanation is not so bad, the problem is if they are Chinese or Russian. I don't know if laughing or crying about that statement and what it says about humans.
thayne 5y ago
Why is having aliens bad? If there really are extraterrestrial entities on earth, and they aren't making any acts of aggression, that seems like it could potentially be a good thing, although there is the big question of why they would hide from the general population but allow themselves to be seen by the occasional pilot...
- squidlogic 5y ago
  One possible idea is that if they organize their civilization in any way then they may simply not have authorization to reveal themselves. The occasional pilot noticing them would be accidents. As far as it being bad news — it’s never comforting to learn a different civilization has vastly superior technology, and may not share your values.
protoax 5y ago
Many "government approved" and "pentagon verified" videos have been consistently debunked and proven to be common visual phenomena and physical illusions. While steering clear of any hardcore conspiracies, I don't doubt that the government wheels this same package out time and time again when needed as a distraction or to provide a weak reason for additional defense funding seeing as it is always so effective in capturing attention.

by abnry 5y ago

IAmGraydon 5y ago

Judging by the way the UFO rhetoric was suddenly ratcheted up several years ago by the US Govt, I feel that #4 is probably the most likely. My gut is telling me something isn’t right.

RobertoG 5y ago
I have this feeling too, not so much about the pilots testimony, as about the way the videos came to light. If I put my conspiracy theorist hat, this "To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science" smells to me to a "Intelligence Community" front.
- WJW 5y ago
  For people with conspiracy theorist hats, any name can smells like an intelligence community front. Too weird and it's obviously fake, too normal and it just shows you that the intelligence community is Very Tricky Indeed and almost managed to fool us by choosing such a normal name. But luckily, due to our Advanced Conspiracy Theorist Hat Technology advantage we knew upfront that anything we look at is an intelligence community front and therefore they can never fool us with their devious naming choices.
  - RobertoG 5y ago
    Oh, but it's not the name what smells like a "intelligence community" front. It's that if you check the founders they are related to the "intelligence community", and the way the video was "leaked" to the NYT feels kind of funny too. This guy Luís Elizondo (1) is clearly from the "community", what it's not so clear is that he was in charge of investigating UFOs as he is claiming. I don't know, maybe they just want to make money or they are legitimate and just want the truth. Of course, this is just a "feeling" that I have, so, I'm not claiming is falsifiable or it's the true, for now it's only something to have an eye on that I wanted to share. (1) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo
    - sterlind 5y ago
      for whatever reason, over decades, it seems like Air Force or IC veterans tend to be more into UFOs than the average person. maybe because of rumors they hear, or maybe they get interested because most of the UFO sightings have some military connection. so it could just be that the people who are most into UFOs join organizations like TTSA or MUFON or what have you.
dTal 5y ago
I've been partial to this theory posted on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21859896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21859896 tl;dr it is a "psyop" but the target is our servicemembers who were too scared to report weird phenomena.
- IAmGraydon 5y ago
  Now that is an interesting theory. Makes a lot of sense.

RobertoG 5y ago

I watched some interview with some congressman saying that the aliens explanation is not so bad, the problem is if they are Chinese or Russian. I don't know if laughing or crying about that statement and what it says about humans.

thayne 5y ago

Why is having aliens bad? If there really are extraterrestrial entities on earth, and they aren't making any acts of aggression, that seems like it could potentially be a good thing, although there is the big question of why they would hide from the general population but allow themselves to be seen by the occasional pilot...

squidlogic 5y ago
One possible idea is that if they organize their civilization in any way then they may simply not have authorization to reveal themselves. The occasional pilot noticing them would be accidents. As far as it being bad news — it’s never comforting to learn a different civilization has vastly superior technology, and may not share your values.

protoax 5y ago

Many "government approved" and "pentagon verified" videos have been consistently debunked and proven to be common visual phenomena and physical illusions. While steering clear of any hardcore conspiracies, I don't doubt that the government wheels this same package out time and time again when needed as a distraction or to provide a weak reason for additional defense funding seeing as it is always so effective in capturing attention.