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Just a personal comment. I used to love calamari, I'm from Scotland so seafood is plentiful and of a high standard. However I decided never to eat it again aft

Just a personal comment. I used to love calamari, I'm from Scotland so seafood is plentiful and of a high standard. However I decided never to eat it again after watching "my octopus teacher" on Netflix. It's an emotive documentary clearly made to evoke feelings in the audience, it certainly changed my mind. We can't effectively measure animal intelligence compared to humans, we make decisions based on ethics and morality so I made that decision to never eat squid again. It's clear that humans over-consume and as an "intelligent species" who can make decisions based on morality and ethics, we still collectively seem unable to logically reason this overconsumption will eventually effect us all.

EvilEy3 5y ago
> It's clear that humans over-consume and as an "intelligent species" who can make decisions based on morality and ethics, we still collectively seem unable to logically reason this overconsumption will eventually effect us all. Why should individuals that live for themselves and don't share the same values as you do suffer because of your decisions?
- bodelecta 5y ago
  You've summed it up in your sentence "live for themselves" i.e. greed and selfishness. And what do you mean by suffer? Do you mean the richest people earning less or people in poverty? We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    > You've summed it up in your sentence "live for themselves" i.e. greed and selfishness. There's a line between exploiting others and caring for yourself. I consider myself example of second. I couldn't care less about rest of people. > We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to. If you want to live in more ethical and sustainable way — all the power to you. But don't force your moral onto me. E: morale -> moral
    - bodelecta 5y ago
      Wow, I'm surprised you actually typed that out in public but fair play for being honest > I couldn't care less about rest of people. I can clearly see that > I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to. Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption
      - EvilEy3 5y ago
        > I couldn't care less about rest of people. When it comes to either me or them*. Small fix to clarify. I'm not some cynical edgelord, don't misunderstand, I probably care a fair bit more about other people than your average person. But when it comes to situation where I have to give up something that I don't consider morally absurd, well then we have a problem. > Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption Sure. But we're discussing food here. I don't see why me, an average Joe, has to discard of the only joys of my life because someone thinks that it is morally correctly to switch to artificial meat.
      - 8note 5y ago
        Toilet paper and showers are not necessities. Plenty of people don't have those, and survive just fine
        EvilEy3 5y ago
        Oh, I'm sure of it. I want to live comfortable life, not survive.
        bodelecta 5y ago
        > Toilet paper and showers are not necessities. Bacteria will form on your skin and can lead to infection. Maybe that's the answer to population growth, never shower or excercise good hygiene measures therefore increasing mortality rates. We don't need to clean our teeth either right? We can lower food consumption through that too. Very, very strange replies.
- Peritract 5y ago
  > Why should individuals that live for themselves and don't share the same values as you do suffer because of your decisions? This is an argument against eating octopuses. Why should they suffer because of your decisions?
cheese_goddess 5y ago
We can "make decisions based on morality and ethics" but why do these decisions have to be that we shouldn't eat meat? What is it that is inherently immoral, or unethical, about eating meat? I mean, I'm probably just as capable as you of making "decisions based on morality and ethics" as you are, but I don't think it's immoral to eat meat. So clearly there are different interpretations of "morality" (duh). But your comment seems to assume that no, there's just one morality: eating meat is immoral. Why?
- bodelecta 5y ago
  You've completely misread or misunderstood my post. Eating meat is not wrong, overconsumption is wrong, wasting resources is wrong. The question of morality is, is it right to over consume the planet to the point we extinguish other species, or even our own? Are we comfortable that future generations look back on us as selfish and greedy for what we did, or didn't do? I am not vegetarian, pardon the pun but that's maybe what your beef is about Again, I''m confused by the very, very strange replies.
  - cheese_goddess 5y ago
    Yes, it seems I did misunderstand your post, because you started it with saying that after watching "My Octopus Teacher" you decided never to eat calamari again. The context of the film and the post is that cephallopods are intelligent creatures and I thought that you meant you decided never to eat callamari again because of that. So now I'm very confused. Why did you decide never to eat calamari again? What does your decision have to do with a film about an octopus? What does any of that have to do with over-consumption? You made your comment very confusing so I was confused. Thanks for clarifying, but it's still very confusing so don't go accusing me of having any "beef" with anyone. Just make sure your comments are easier to understand.
    - bodelecta 5y ago
      > You made your comment very confusing so I was confused. Thanks for clarifying, but it's still very confusing so don't go accusing me of having any "beef" with anyone. Just make sure your comments are easier to understand. No it really wasn't confusing. Perhaps English isn't your native language, nowhere did I mention meat, unless you define a mollusc as meat (some vegetarians do choose not to eat them). I think you just wanted an argument on the internet which you'll find I don't do

EvilEy3 5y ago

> It's clear that humans over-consume and as an "intelligent species" who can make decisions based on morality and ethics, we still collectively seem unable to logically reason this overconsumption will eventually effect us all. Why should individuals that live for themselves and don't share the same values as you do suffer because of your decisions?

bodelecta 5y ago
You've summed it up in your sentence "live for themselves" i.e. greed and selfishness. And what do you mean by suffer? Do you mean the richest people earning less or people in poverty? We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  > You've summed it up in your sentence "live for themselves" i.e. greed and selfishness. There's a line between exploiting others and caring for yourself. I consider myself example of second. I couldn't care less about rest of people. > We could live in a more ethical and sustainable way, we just choose not to I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to. If you want to live in more ethical and sustainable way — all the power to you. But don't force your moral onto me. E: morale -> moral
  - bodelecta 5y ago
    Wow, I'm surprised you actually typed that out in public but fair play for being honest > I couldn't care less about rest of people. I can clearly see that > I could live without shower and toilet paper, I could live without washing machine or meat. Doesn't mean that I want to. Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption
    - EvilEy3 5y ago
      > I couldn't care less about rest of people. When it comes to either me or them*. Small fix to clarify. I'm not some cynical edgelord, don't misunderstand, I probably care a fair bit more about other people than your average person. But when it comes to situation where I have to give up something that I don't consider morally absurd, well then we have a problem. > Overconsumption isn't having toilet paper or a shower, those are necessities. Drilling in the Arctic for more oil, shark finning, the strive for constant economic growth are examples of overconsumption Sure. But we're discussing food here. I don't see why me, an average Joe, has to discard of the only joys of my life because someone thinks that it is morally correctly to switch to artificial meat.
    - 8note 5y ago
      Toilet paper and showers are not necessities. Plenty of people don't have those, and survive just fine
      - EvilEy3 5y ago
        Oh, I'm sure of it. I want to live comfortable life, not survive.
      - bodelecta 5y ago
        > Toilet paper and showers are not necessities. Bacteria will form on your skin and can lead to infection. Maybe that's the answer to population growth, never shower or excercise good hygiene measures therefore increasing mortality rates. We don't need to clean our teeth either right? We can lower food consumption through that too. Very, very strange replies.
Peritract 5y ago
> Why should individuals that live for themselves and don't share the same values as you do suffer because of your decisions? This is an argument against eating octopuses. Why should they suffer because of your decisions?

cheese_goddess 5y ago

We can "make decisions based on morality and ethics" but why do these decisions have to be that we shouldn't eat meat? What is it that is inherently immoral, or unethical, about eating meat? I mean, I'm probably just as capable as you of making "decisions based on morality and ethics" as you are, but I don't think it's immoral to eat meat. So clearly there are different interpretations of "morality" (duh). But your comment seems to assume that no, there's just one morality: eating meat is immoral. Why?

bodelecta 5y ago
You've completely misread or misunderstood my post. Eating meat is not wrong, overconsumption is wrong, wasting resources is wrong. The question of morality is, is it right to over consume the planet to the point we extinguish other species, or even our own? Are we comfortable that future generations look back on us as selfish and greedy for what we did, or didn't do? I am not vegetarian, pardon the pun but that's maybe what your beef is about Again, I''m confused by the very, very strange replies.
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  Yes, it seems I did misunderstand your post, because you started it with saying that after watching "My Octopus Teacher" you decided never to eat calamari again. The context of the film and the post is that cephallopods are intelligent creatures and I thought that you meant you decided never to eat callamari again because of that. So now I'm very confused. Why did you decide never to eat calamari again? What does your decision have to do with a film about an octopus? What does any of that have to do with over-consumption? You made your comment very confusing so I was confused. Thanks for clarifying, but it's still very confusing so don't go accusing me of having any "beef" with anyone. Just make sure your comments are easier to understand.
  - bodelecta 5y ago
    > You made your comment very confusing so I was confused. Thanks for clarifying, but it's still very confusing so don't go accusing me of having any "beef" with anyone. Just make sure your comments are easier to understand. No it really wasn't confusing. Perhaps English isn't your native language, nowhere did I mention meat, unless you define a mollusc as meat (some vegetarians do choose not to eat them). I think you just wanted an argument on the internet which you'll find I don't do