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I don’t think the laboured kidnap scenario is useful. Neither is the song and dance about democratic regimes, I’m not arguing the government shouldn’t regulate,

I don’t think the laboured kidnap scenario is useful. Neither is the song and dance about democratic regimes, I’m not arguing the government shouldn’t regulate, I’m saying that I don’t think they should regulate like this. But I do think you should be able to do whatever you want with what you purchased. I just don’t think that includes forcing them, or using the government to force them, to make changes to their software to suit you. So yes run your own OS, but if you bought a product and expect its software to do things its creators are clear it doesn’t do, then that’s on you.

oscargrouch 5y ago
> So yes run your own OS, but if you bought a product and expect its software to do things its creators are clear it doesn’t do, then that’s on you. That's the point being argued here. They doing all they can to not let this happen. You are saying as if there's still an option to do this. It gets even worse, because inside the OS, you are their lap dog. They are enforcing options to curb any form of competition. Technology is being forcefully crippled so they can resort monopolistic forms of control. And with the other hand they teach you to like it in a paternalistic way.
- Jotra7 5y ago
  Don't bother. Apple zealots will tie themselves into knots defending Daddy Apple.
  - oscargrouch 5y ago
    My problem with all this, is that they don't get it where this is taking us all. Big Tech have a tremendous power all over the world. Lack of regulation and civil rights enforcement is taking us into a era o digital feudalism.. So its not just about their rights to let Apple strip their rights, but the rights of us all. It's about our future, because governments are getting weaker and big tech companies are start to take over with power that transcend territory. So its our duty, to not let this happen, because they are not really seeing, being selfish and thinking about their own convenience. The worst part is that, it will not change anything to them, but the marketing machinery whisper all the time how this is bad for them, making they fear any sort of change in that direction.
    - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
      100%. They are diving head first into a digital dystopian nightmare where no one is allowed to install anything without approval. I wouldn't be in tech if I couldn't experiment and tinker when I was younger. iOS is more of a toy than an actual useful OS.
withinboredom 5y ago
> if you bought a product and expect its software to do things its creators are clear it doesn’t do, then that’s on you. I'd expect a computer to compute, whether it's scheduled by Windows, Linux, or iOS; whether Apple thinks I should install a software package or not. It should compute what I want it to, after all, it's using the electricity that I paid for.
- code_duck 5y ago
  It does compute, using iOS. If you want to use Linux or Windows why would you buy a device known to not work with them?
  - withinboredom 5y ago
    It can work with them, only Apple has locked down the bootloader.
Dedime 5y ago
> I just don’t think that includes forcing them, or using the government to force them, to make changes to their software to suit you. I don't want to force them to make changes! I want to force them to not make changes. These devices are not locked down by default, the manufacturer implements these locked down restrictions in software manually. Rip that out and I'll be happy.

oscargrouch 5y ago

> So yes run your own OS, but if you bought a product and expect its software to do things its creators are clear it doesn’t do, then that’s on you. That's the point being argued here. They doing all they can to not let this happen. You are saying as if there's still an option to do this. It gets even worse, because inside the OS, you are their lap dog. They are enforcing options to curb any form of competition. Technology is being forcefully crippled so they can resort monopolistic forms of control. And with the other hand they teach you to like it in a paternalistic way.

Jotra7 5y ago
Don't bother. Apple zealots will tie themselves into knots defending Daddy Apple.
- oscargrouch 5y ago
  My problem with all this, is that they don't get it where this is taking us all. Big Tech have a tremendous power all over the world. Lack of regulation and civil rights enforcement is taking us into a era o digital feudalism.. So its not just about their rights to let Apple strip their rights, but the rights of us all. It's about our future, because governments are getting weaker and big tech companies are start to take over with power that transcend territory. So its our duty, to not let this happen, because they are not really seeing, being selfish and thinking about their own convenience. The worst part is that, it will not change anything to them, but the marketing machinery whisper all the time how this is bad for them, making they fear any sort of change in that direction.
  - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
    100%. They are diving head first into a digital dystopian nightmare where no one is allowed to install anything without approval. I wouldn't be in tech if I couldn't experiment and tinker when I was younger. iOS is more of a toy than an actual useful OS.

withinboredom 5y ago

> if you bought a product and expect its software to do things its creators are clear it doesn’t do, then that’s on you. I'd expect a computer to compute, whether it's scheduled by Windows, Linux, or iOS; whether Apple thinks I should install a software package or not. It should compute what I want it to, after all, it's using the electricity that I paid for.

code_duck 5y ago
It does compute, using iOS. If you want to use Linux or Windows why would you buy a device known to not work with them?
- withinboredom 5y ago
  It can work with them, only Apple has locked down the bootloader.

Dedime 5y ago

> I just don’t think that includes forcing them, or using the government to force them, to make changes to their software to suit you. I don't want to force them to make changes! I want to force them to not make changes. These devices are not locked down by default, the manufacturer implements these locked down restrictions in software manually. Rip that out and I'll be happy.