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Note that OP did not say "without causing pain." He/She said "respect" which is descriptive of both of your positions. There is a tendency, in animal welfare d

Note that OP did not say "without causing pain." He/She said "respect" which is descriptive of both of your positions. There is a tendency, in animal welfare discussions, to ratchet. As the conversation tips forward and back, meanings are interpreted a little more strictly each time. Backyard chickens is a respectful way to have eggs and meat. Battery raising is disrespectful. Wasting meat is also disrespectful.

f6v 5y ago
> Battery raising is disrespectful. Towards chicken? Maybe. But chicken isn't the only variable in the equation. I agree it'd be much less wasteful to grow meat in bioreactor without even wasting energy on growing feathers, organs and whatnot. But we're not there yet, and we might have a hard time feeding people without chicken factories.
dnautics 5y ago
So while I agree with what you're saying, you'd better be able to come up with a legal standard of "respectful". I don't know what that is. If you don't you'll wind up with something like "killing a chicken by slitting its throat" [and facing mecca] is disrespectful.
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  You can kill a chicken by thrusting a knife into its open beak to pierce its brain (chickens actually have brains). You hold the bird by the feet, upside down and thrust. The bird will squawk once and go limp. Then you can cut its throat and let the blood out. The problem is that people don't know this and (even professional poultry growers) think that the only sensible way to kill a bird is to cut its throat. Same for crabs. So far in the last two years I've seen crabs cooked alive twice right before my eyes, once roasted and the other boiled. I tried to intervene but was laughed away or told there was no time. In the second case, the lady who boiled the crabs alive didn't want to hear about their agony while eating them later (of course I had to twist the knife in). I thought all this is just stupidity and ignorance. All it takes is five minutes to think, five minutes to go online and ask a question of a dumb search engine, and another five seconds for the chicken and a bit longer for the crabs. How hard is it? I mean, come on. Btw, I eat meat and I'll be vegetarian when hell freezes over but you kill an animal to eat it, at least don't torture the poor beast. Just get it over with quickly.
mcny 5y ago
» Wasting meat is also disrespectful. This I can completely agree with. Wasting food is completely disrespectful in so many ways and is mostly avoidable. Yet, just last year we saw supply chain breakdowns that caused farmers to dump so many potatoes and so much milk among everything else while people were in queues for free food.
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f6v 5y ago

> Battery raising is disrespectful. Towards chicken? Maybe. But chicken isn't the only variable in the equation. I agree it'd be much less wasteful to grow meat in bioreactor without even wasting energy on growing feathers, organs and whatnot. But we're not there yet, and we might have a hard time feeding people without chicken factories.

dnautics 5y ago

So while I agree with what you're saying, you'd better be able to come up with a legal standard of "respectful". I don't know what that is. If you don't you'll wind up with something like "killing a chicken by slitting its throat" [and facing mecca] is disrespectful.

cheese_goddess 5y ago
You can kill a chicken by thrusting a knife into its open beak to pierce its brain (chickens actually have brains). You hold the bird by the feet, upside down and thrust. The bird will squawk once and go limp. Then you can cut its throat and let the blood out. The problem is that people don't know this and (even professional poultry growers) think that the only sensible way to kill a bird is to cut its throat. Same for crabs. So far in the last two years I've seen crabs cooked alive twice right before my eyes, once roasted and the other boiled. I tried to intervene but was laughed away or told there was no time. In the second case, the lady who boiled the crabs alive didn't want to hear about their agony while eating them later (of course I had to twist the knife in). I thought all this is just stupidity and ignorance. All it takes is five minutes to think, five minutes to go online and ask a question of a dumb search engine, and another five seconds for the chicken and a bit longer for the crabs. How hard is it? I mean, come on. Btw, I eat meat and I'll be vegetarian when hell freezes over but you kill an animal to eat it, at least don't torture the poor beast. Just get it over with quickly.

mcny 5y ago

» Wasting meat is also disrespectful. This I can completely agree with. Wasting food is completely disrespectful in so many ways and is mostly avoidable. Yet, just last year we saw supply chain breakdowns that caused farmers to dump so many potatoes and so much milk among everything else while people were in queues for free food.

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