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This "newly found belief system" you mention is over 60 years old...

by jf22 5y ago

MikeUt 5y ago
It may help clarify the conversation if you both specified precisely which belief system you have in mind. I suspect there are perhaps small, but crucial differences between them.
- bko 5y ago
  From the article I cited: > Students are pressured to conform their opinions to those broadly associated with their race and gender and to minimize or dismiss individual experiences that don’t match those assumptions. The morally compromised status of “oppressor” is assigned to one group of students based on their immutable characteristics. In the meantime, dependency, resentment and moral superiority are cultivated in students considered “oppressed.” I guess it's this oppressor/oppressed ideology that neatly buckets people into bins based on immutable characteristics. It ignores individualism and personal responsibility. I don't know what the outcome will be of telling kids that they are more or less living in a system corrupt to the core and they are more or less a victim of circumstances of birth. But I'd prefer not to run this experiment with my children. Also, reintroduction of segregation: > Recently, I raised questions about this ideology at a mandatory, whites-only student and faculty Zoom meeting. (Such racially segregated sessions are now commonplace at my school.)
  - jf22 5y ago
    Your definition of the belief system is not accurate and designed to hit on a number of wedge issues about collectivism vs individualism. >I don't know what the outcome will be of telling kids that they are more or less living in a system corrupt to the core and they are more or less a victim of circumstances of birth. There is an irony here as existing education lies to children and teaches them that the world is a fair and just place any anybody can succeed given enough effort. It's only through being able to collate data on a global scale and efficiently share the experiences of people that we've been able to witness how untrue the existing individualist meritocracy myth is.
bsima 5y ago
60 years is a minuscule amount of time when it comes to the history of education
- Retric 5y ago
  Not really, the history of education is surprisingly short. So 60 years is ~1.5% of the total for formal education, and a much larger larger chunk of anything we have meaningful records for.
analog31 5y ago
Indeed, I suspect that experimenting with new ways of teaching children, and believing that doing so is ruining children's minds, are both as old as humanity itself.

This "newly found belief system" you mention is over 60 years old...

by jf22 5y ago

This "newly found belief system" you mention is over 60 years old...

It may help clarify the conversation if you both specified precisely which belief system you have in mind. I suspect there are perhaps small, but crucial differences between them.

bko 5y ago
From the article I cited: > Students are pressured to conform their opinions to those broadly associated with their race and gender and to minimize or dismiss individual experiences that don’t match those assumptions. The morally compromised status of “oppressor” is assigned to one group of students based on their immutable characteristics. In the meantime, dependency, resentment and moral superiority are cultivated in students considered “oppressed.” I guess it's this oppressor/oppressed ideology that neatly buckets people into bins based on immutable characteristics. It ignores individualism and personal responsibility. I don't know what the outcome will be of telling kids that they are more or less living in a system corrupt to the core and they are more or less a victim of circumstances of birth. But I'd prefer not to run this experiment with my children. Also, reintroduction of segregation: > Recently, I raised questions about this ideology at a mandatory, whites-only student and faculty Zoom meeting. (Such racially segregated sessions are now commonplace at my school.)
- jf22 5y ago
  Your definition of the belief system is not accurate and designed to hit on a number of wedge issues about collectivism vs individualism. >I don't know what the outcome will be of telling kids that they are more or less living in a system corrupt to the core and they are more or less a victim of circumstances of birth. There is an irony here as existing education lies to children and teaches them that the world is a fair and just place any anybody can succeed given enough effort. It's only through being able to collate data on a global scale and efficiently share the experiences of people that we've been able to witness how untrue the existing individualist meritocracy myth is.

bsima 5y ago

60 years is a minuscule amount of time when it comes to the history of education

Retric 5y ago
Not really, the history of education is surprisingly short. So 60 years is ~1.5% of the total for formal education, and a much larger larger chunk of anything we have meaningful records for.

analog31 5y ago

Indeed, I suspect that experimenting with new ways of teaching children, and believing that doing so is ruining children's minds, are both as old as humanity itself.