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The only reason that is a useful example to you is because that act is genuinely dangerous. There is nothing dangerous about swiping someone's IP and causing th

The only reason that is a useful example to you is because that act is genuinely dangerous. There is nothing dangerous about swiping someone's IP and causing them to have to reconnect.

sid0 15y ago
And yet it is exactly as dickish and disrespectful of others. Just like Apple as a whole, it seems.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  Meh. Treating developers and the back end gingerly results in no benefit for consumers, in fact by and large it results in in a pretty clear loss. Characterize it however you wish, as a user I'm going to go with the platform that focuses on pleasing me rather than making the lives of other users or developers easier.
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  - sid0 15y ago
    I agree with Kant here: when deciding whether an action is right, one should consider what would happen if everyone started doing it. Also, you're a dick. Congratulations.
    - shinratdr 15y ago
      I'm a dick for buying products that work best for me and not other users or developers? Ok... I thought the Hacker News community was supposed to have a modicum of maturity?
      - sid0 15y ago
        You're a dick for buying products that actively negatively affect other users and that would lead to chaos if everyone bought them, yes.
        shinratdr 15y ago
        It would lead to chaos if every device retained the IP it used on that AP previously? Yeah that sounds like hell, imagine the horror.
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jarek 15y ago
You're right. I guess it's more comparable to walking up to a checkout or a cash register without looking to see if anyone is waiting in line. Great UX if you don't look around you.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  It's really not. There is no real world comparable act, frankly. It is what it is, and what it is is not a big deal.
  - jarek 15y ago
    I cannot emphasize enough how much I disagree with the idea that potentially inconveniencing other network users for a small gain of your own is not a big deal.
    - shinratdr 15y ago
      Good for you. It's still not a big deal and you can't "outrage" that away. It's not a small gain, for the record. And the only users you are inconveniencing are ones that are malfunctioning. If everything is working correctly and the AP hasn't been reset, this causes no inconvenience to anyone and results in a clear direct benefit for the user. You figure a community of developers would possibly give a shit about what matters to the UX, I guess not. You do know that the "U" stands for user, right?
- tzs 15y ago
  That's as bad as your exit lane analogy. If you want a checkout line analogy that actually somewhat fits the situation, here is one. You pay for a cup of coffee at Starbucks, standing in line until it was your turn to pay. Then you pay and go sat down and drank some of it, while working on your laptop. You get caught up reading HN, and don't take a sip from your coffee for five minutes. You then want to take a sip. What Apple is doing is like resuming finishing the coffee without going back to the checkout and trying to pay for it again.
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The only reason that is a useful example to you is because that act is genuinely dangerous. There is nothing dangerous about swiping someone's IP and causing them to have to reconnect.

sid0 15y ago

And yet it is exactly as dickish and disrespectful of others. Just like Apple as a whole, it seems.

shinratdr 15y ago
Meh. Treating developers and the back end gingerly results in no benefit for consumers, in fact by and large it results in in a pretty clear loss. Characterize it however you wish, as a user I'm going to go with the platform that focuses on pleasing me rather than making the lives of other users or developers easier.
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- sid0 15y ago
  I agree with Kant here: when deciding whether an action is right, one should consider what would happen if everyone started doing it. Also, you're a dick. Congratulations.
  - shinratdr 15y ago
    I'm a dick for buying products that work best for me and not other users or developers? Ok... I thought the Hacker News community was supposed to have a modicum of maturity?
    - sid0 15y ago
      You're a dick for buying products that actively negatively affect other users and that would lead to chaos if everyone bought them, yes.
      - shinratdr 15y ago
        It would lead to chaos if every device retained the IP it used on that AP previously? Yeah that sounds like hell, imagine the horror.
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jarek 15y ago

You're right. I guess it's more comparable to walking up to a checkout or a cash register without looking to see if anyone is waiting in line. Great UX if you don't look around you.

shinratdr 15y ago
It's really not. There is no real world comparable act, frankly. It is what it is, and what it is is not a big deal.
- jarek 15y ago
  I cannot emphasize enough how much I disagree with the idea that potentially inconveniencing other network users for a small gain of your own is not a big deal.
  - shinratdr 15y ago
    Good for you. It's still not a big deal and you can't "outrage" that away. It's not a small gain, for the record. And the only users you are inconveniencing are ones that are malfunctioning. If everything is working correctly and the AP hasn't been reset, this causes no inconvenience to anyone and results in a clear direct benefit for the user. You figure a community of developers would possibly give a shit about what matters to the UX, I guess not. You do know that the "U" stands for user, right?
tzs 15y ago
That's as bad as your exit lane analogy. If you want a checkout line analogy that actually somewhat fits the situation, here is one. You pay for a cup of coffee at Starbucks, standing in line until it was your turn to pay. Then you pay and go sat down and drank some of it, while working on your laptop. You get caught up reading HN, and don't take a sip from your coffee for five minutes. You then want to take a sip. What Apple is doing is like resuming finishing the coffee without going back to the checkout and trying to pay for it again.
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