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If you have that to add, I am pretty sure you don't have any formal experience with aviation. Even the nuts and bolts that go on aircraft can cost >$100. The p

by zeusk 5y ago

If you have that to add, I am pretty sure you don't have any formal experience with aviation. Even the nuts and bolts that go on aircraft can cost >$100. The problems are not all bureaucratic, and I get HN's hate of bureaucracy but for life-and-death matters - I'd rather default to caution than move fast and break necks attitude of SV/Tech. Just to give you an example, lookup the swissair in-flight entertainment fire incident. Tacking couple of screens and media server onto an existing plane should be fine right? turns out not really and 215 people paid the price of that decision with their lives. Privacy aside, being watched does affect decision making. If you think recording people at their jobs will make things safer, why not apply it for the least safe mode of transportation first - why doesn't the gov/NHTSA mandate a video and data recorder in your car and the police and insurance can take a look at it next time you crash to decide who/what caused it.

theamk 5y ago
No need for video recording on general aviation, but a public transport is a completely different thing. Any time I enter a bus in my town, I see that it has a number of cameras, which point to the road, to the passengers, and to the driver as well. Why should a plane be different?
RogerL 5y ago
> If you have that to add, I am pretty sure you don't have any formal experience with aviation Walter Bright is an aerospace engineer, programmer of flight critical systems of airliners, son of Charles Bright. You are way off on your accusation. citation: https://www.amazon.ca/Jet-Makers-Charles-Bright-ebook/dp/B0054M8XLW https://www.amazon.ca/Jet-Makers-Charles-Bright-ebook/dp/B00...
perl4ever 5y ago
>why doesn't the gov/NHTSA mandate a video and data recorder in your car The automakers were already "voluntarily" putting EDRs in cars, so no need to mandate it. From 15 years ago, standards were set so that data can be retrieved after an accident and such: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/EDRFinalRule_Aug2006.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/EDRFinalRu...
wolrah 5y ago
> Just to give you an example, lookup the swissair in-flight entertainment fire incident. Tacking couple of screens and media server onto an existing plane should be fine right? turns out not really and 215 people paid the price of that decision with their lives. I'm not super familiar with this one, but based on a quick skim of the TSB report (http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/1998/a98h0003/a98h0003.pdf http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/1998/a98h...) it looks like the issue here was not the IFE itself but a poor installation that significantly differed from the certified configuration and resulted in chafing on power wires. It's also worth noting that this happened in the '90s when networked personal IFE systems were still in their infancy. It's 2021, there are no unsolved problems in installing a few cameras in an aircraft. A lot of them already have cameras accessible through the IFE, putting one more in the cockpit and a hardened DVR in the back isn't exactly rocket science. Yes, aviation stuff often has a few zeroes added on to the price tag for good and bad reasons, but we're basically talking about a dashcam here. Low triple digit prices for non-aviation hardware, so even if you multiply the price times 100 it's still not really significant compared to the cost of an airliner. There are no good technical reasons to not have video.

by zeusk 5y ago

theamk 5y ago

No need for video recording on general aviation, but a public transport is a completely different thing. Any time I enter a bus in my town, I see that it has a number of cameras, which point to the road, to the passengers, and to the driver as well. Why should a plane be different?

RogerL 5y ago

> If you have that to add, I am pretty sure you don't have any formal experience with aviation Walter Bright is an aerospace engineer, programmer of flight critical systems of airliners, son of Charles Bright. You are way off on your accusation. citation: https://www.amazon.ca/Jet-Makers-Charles-Bright-ebook/dp/B0054M8XLW https://www.amazon.ca/Jet-Makers-Charles-Bright-ebook/dp/B00...

perl4ever 5y ago

>why doesn't the gov/NHTSA mandate a video and data recorder in your car The automakers were already "voluntarily" putting EDRs in cars, so no need to mandate it. From 15 years ago, standards were set so that data can be retrieved after an accident and such: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/EDRFinalRule_Aug2006.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/fmvss/EDRFinalRu...

wolrah 5y ago

> Just to give you an example, lookup the swissair in-flight entertainment fire incident. Tacking couple of screens and media server onto an existing plane should be fine right? turns out not really and 215 people paid the price of that decision with their lives. I'm not super familiar with this one, but based on a quick skim of the TSB report (http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/1998/a98h0003/a98h0003.pdf http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/1998/a98h...) it looks like the issue here was not the IFE itself but a poor installation that significantly differed from the certified configuration and resulted in chafing on power wires. It's also worth noting that this happened in the '90s when networked personal IFE systems were still in their infancy. It's 2021, there are no unsolved problems in installing a few cameras in an aircraft. A lot of them already have cameras accessible through the IFE, putting one more in the cockpit and a hardened DVR in the back isn't exactly rocket science. Yes, aviation stuff often has a few zeroes added on to the price tag for good and bad reasons, but we're basically talking about a dashcam here. Low triple digit prices for non-aviation hardware, so even if you multiply the price times 100 it's still not really significant compared to the cost of an airliner. There are no good technical reasons to not have video.