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> in the US, political dissent is punished in a decentralised way; people lose their bank accounts, access to payment providers, are erased from social media, e

> in the US, political dissent is punished in a decentralised way; people lose their bank accounts, access to payment providers, are erased from social media, etc Did Biden suffer any of this when he was challenging Trump? What does someone who challenges Putin suffer?

adsfasdfadsf222 5y ago
Biden is however the establishment. Trump is the outsider which has had these things occur. This is really not within the sphere of 'dissent' in any case, as we discuss here major politicians. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/banking-financial-institutions/535282-florida-bank-says-it-has-closed-trumps-accounts https://thehill.com/policy/finance/banking-financial-institu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Tru... If we wanted to look at examples of more small scale political dissent in USA: https://gazette.com/news/reporter-who-broke-story-on-clinton-lynch-tarmac-meeting-found-dead/article_bd0ec09a-cdf0-11eb-989f-3ff9f4912116.html https://gazette.com/news/reporter-who-broke-story-on-clinton... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Valley_shootout#The_shootout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Valley_shootout#The_sh...
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > Biden is however the establishment. Ok so are anti-establishment politicians in the US targetted? Such as someone from who wants to deconstruct the establishment like Sanders? Oh he's treated with relative respect and allowed to campaign? Oh ok... so that's unlike China and Russia then?
  - adsfasdfadsf222 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi... the democrat establishment quietly removed him (edit: bernie sanders, 2016) in the background, and then this was leaked afterward by wikileaks.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      But that's a private party deciding their own internal party issues. That's private individuals, not the state. I don't really mind or care what a private party does within their own systems. That's not even remotely similar to, for example, the state arresting him.

adsfasdfadsf222 5y ago

Biden is however the establishment. Trump is the outsider which has had these things occur. This is really not within the sphere of 'dissent' in any case, as we discuss here major politicians. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/banking-financial-institutions/535282-florida-bank-says-it-has-closed-trumps-accounts https://thehill.com/policy/finance/banking-financial-institu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_use_by_Donald_Tru... If we wanted to look at examples of more small scale political dissent in USA: https://gazette.com/news/reporter-who-broke-story-on-clinton-lynch-tarmac-meeting-found-dead/article_bd0ec09a-cdf0-11eb-989f-3ff9f4912116.html https://gazette.com/news/reporter-who-broke-story-on-clinton... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Valley_shootout#The_shootout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Valley_shootout#The_sh...

chrisseaton 5y ago
> Biden is however the establishment. Ok so are anti-establishment politicians in the US targetted? Such as someone from who wants to deconstruct the establishment like Sanders? Oh he's treated with relative respect and allowed to campaign? Oh ok... so that's unlike China and Russia then?
- adsfasdfadsf222 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi... the democrat establishment quietly removed him (edit: bernie sanders, 2016) in the background, and then this was leaked afterward by wikileaks.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    But that's a private party deciding their own internal party issues. That's private individuals, not the state. I don't really mind or care what a private party does within their own systems. That's not even remotely similar to, for example, the state arresting him.