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Most states in the US require a civics class in high school (normally called us government). Several states require personal financial literacy class. DIY is no

Most states in the US require a civics class in high school (normally called us government). Several states require personal financial literacy class. DIY is not one I know anywhere requiring. But something being required and something being preserved is very different. It's very normal to lose a lot of that knowledge after a couple years so if your goal is they pass a civics test/know basic finance it'll probably continue to fail even with all states requiring it.

giantg2 5y ago
Yeah, but most of the civics classes are a joke compared to the citizenship test. The used to have shop or home economics as required classes. I do agree that it is up to the student to maintain proficiency. I just feel like many of the tests and classes are ridiculously easy, like to the point of being geared to passing people rather than teaching. But I do also acknowledge that I forget about stuff I don't use, like complex fractions and fraction multiplication.
- Mehdi2277 5y ago
  Have you taken the citizenship test? I am an immigrant and my dad had to take it. I was a bit under age requirement but did look over it. One example it doesn't even ask for the 3 branches of government, just name a single one. A lot of the questions are nice like that and will let you give a partial answer. You can see questions here, https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions-and-answers/100q.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions... The test is longer than many classroom tests but also only needs a 60% to pass. The topics covered are already ones that US government classes cover so new requirements won't help here. You could add a state standardized test for this although still doubtful it would be remembered even a year or two later. I'd also guess it's a toss up on whether current government classes are easier/harder than that.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    I get that they standards are pretty low. I remember an article showing that most TX citizens couldn't pass the test. Here is a similar article that shows over a third of US citizens would fail. https://www.vox.com/2014/4/26/5654020/awkward-americans-cant-pass-our-own-citizenship-test https://www.vox.com/2014/4/26/5654020/awkward-americans-cant... My biggest issue is how can we improve the knowledge of the citizens since this sort of knowledge is necessary for a strong democracy? I'm not sure what the best answer would be, but teaching/testing in school seems like a good start. Looking at the format and rigor would be good, especially if it is already supposed to be taught and we are seeing such low retention.
    - kbelder 5y ago
      You could require passing the test in order to vote; but that would be a pretty unpopular suggestion right now.
  - laurencerowe 5y ago
    > The test is longer than many classroom tests but also only needs a 60% to pass. The test itself isn't even very long - 10 of the 100 possible questions. I hope school civics classes are more than just rote memorization in the US...

giantg2 5y ago

Yeah, but most of the civics classes are a joke compared to the citizenship test. The used to have shop or home economics as required classes. I do agree that it is up to the student to maintain proficiency. I just feel like many of the tests and classes are ridiculously easy, like to the point of being geared to passing people rather than teaching. But I do also acknowledge that I forget about stuff I don't use, like complex fractions and fraction multiplication.

Mehdi2277 5y ago
Have you taken the citizenship test? I am an immigrant and my dad had to take it. I was a bit under age requirement but did look over it. One example it doesn't even ask for the 3 branches of government, just name a single one. A lot of the questions are nice like that and will let you give a partial answer. You can see questions here, https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions-and-answers/100q.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions... The test is longer than many classroom tests but also only needs a 60% to pass. The topics covered are already ones that US government classes cover so new requirements won't help here. You could add a state standardized test for this although still doubtful it would be remembered even a year or two later. I'd also guess it's a toss up on whether current government classes are easier/harder than that.
- giantg2 5y ago
  I get that they standards are pretty low. I remember an article showing that most TX citizens couldn't pass the test. Here is a similar article that shows over a third of US citizens would fail. https://www.vox.com/2014/4/26/5654020/awkward-americans-cant-pass-our-own-citizenship-test https://www.vox.com/2014/4/26/5654020/awkward-americans-cant... My biggest issue is how can we improve the knowledge of the citizens since this sort of knowledge is necessary for a strong democracy? I'm not sure what the best answer would be, but teaching/testing in school seems like a good start. Looking at the format and rigor would be good, especially if it is already supposed to be taught and we are seeing such low retention.
  - kbelder 5y ago
    You could require passing the test in order to vote; but that would be a pretty unpopular suggestion right now.
- laurencerowe 5y ago
  > The test is longer than many classroom tests but also only needs a 60% to pass. The test itself isn't even very long - 10 of the 100 possible questions. I hope school civics classes are more than just rote memorization in the US...