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All of this is true. > There is a saying in Croatia "Where were you in '92" that is reserved for the older population. You never know who you are befriending a
by disabled 5y ago
All of this is true.
> There is a saying in Croatia "Where were you in '92" that is reserved for the older population. You never know who you are befriending and what crimes they got into during the war.
Yeah, I am in my early 30s (I was 3 in '92) and my family is American. Let's just say that I am third generation Croatian-American (for all 3 generations we are American, and this is by birth), and I am half-Croatian (by blood). My grandmother always said that the fighting was always a 2-way street and that neither side has been innocent. She also said that she had Serb friends and that they were "the nicest people she ever knew." It's different in America. I do not know many old people in Croatia.
I also especially take offense to people understating the evils of our Nazi (Ustaše) movement. One reason (of several) is that I have a relative who died fighting the Croatian fascists.
I also wish that Croatia would stay out of Bosnia. I know that is an unpopular thing to say, but we should. It's one thing to give ethnic Croats in Bosnia Croatian citizenship. It's another thing to be funding segregated schools (partially funded by the Roman Catholic Church--on behalf of Croatia) that indoctrinate the next generation of youth with a completely different version of the history of Bosnia.
I also know of corruption done by Croatian diplomatic officials posted abroad (which is just about the worst form of corruption there is--and can be quite dangerous), although Croatia probably would do nothing about it.
Anyways, another thing that irritates me is that there are both Croatians and Croatian emigrants selling insignia with the our Nazi Coat of Arms on it (the Ustaše--we were a Nazi puppet state in WWII so it is literally a Nazi insignia).
Just for reference, on the left is the Nazi (Ustaše) coat of arms [Note: often the "U" at the top is left out--it's Nazi insignia either way], while on the right is the Croatian coat of arms: https://dubokavoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Grbovi-NDH-i-RH-800x581.jpg https://dubokavoda.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Grbovi-NDH...
Here are some listings on Etsy literally selling the Nazi coat of arms:
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/249865187/croatian-cuturica-size-xl-750ml-old-grb?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=old+grb&ref=sr_gallery-1-11&organic_search_click=1&frs=1 https://www.etsy.com/listing/249865187/croatian-cuturica-siz...
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/505814936/old-croatian-grb-croatian-coat-of-arms?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=old+coat+croatia&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1 https://www.etsy.com/listing/505814936/old-croatian-grb-croa...
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/917628493/croatian-pendant-charm-jewellery?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=old+coat+croatian&ref=sr_gallery-1-20&organic_search_click=1 https://www.etsy.com/listing/917628493/croatian-pendant-char...
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/998887249/croatian-national-symbol-croatian-coat?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=old+coat+croatian&ref=sr_gallery-1-34&organic_search_click=1&frs=1 https://www.etsy.com/listing/998887249/croatian-national-sym...
- glenngillen 5y agoWith regard to the coat of arms, I’m familiar with this (or something that looks similar) from various Croatian football teams. Is this really a Nazi symbol? Or just a Croatian identity one, and the Nazi one they put a “U” on top of for Ustaše?
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- mrkramer 5y agoCroatian identity(coat of arms) is chessboard [0] it is 500 years old. Quasi Nazi symbol is Ustaše (U) but it was initially a movement for Croatian Independence later on it became Nazi like. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Croatia
- Keyframe 5y agoPART of croatian emigrants, now well into several generations away from their original exile following WW2, are a big disgrace and actively damaging modern Croatia which has zero things to do with Nazis and all that. It's a big issue and hot topic whenever it comes up locally.